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"The rest are trends." ... The most arrogant, ignorant & dishonest statement made so far
Don't worry, gore thinks he's "german" that's why SUSE, SUSE, SUSE, SUSE, SUSE
And who the **** uses Libranet (didn't the founder die)
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"The rest are trends." ... The most arrogant, ignorant & dishonest statement made so far
Don't worry, gore thinks he's "german" that's why SUSE, SUSE, SUSE, SUSE, SUSE
And who the **** uses Libranet (didn't the founder die)
Yea, the Founder died, and how was my statement arrogant? I mean, yea, I know I'm elitist for SUSE and Slackware, but Arrogant?
Basically you are recommending this newb, things that YOU like.
1. Dude, I ****ing love Slack. I think That Slack & Debian are the only pure distros out there. But what if the guy has wide screen monitor, some weird MB build sound chip, or wants proprietary graphics drivers. & forget about playing avi’s. It’ll be a month w/ all the “help” out there before he tackled one thing w/ Slack.
2. I don’t use Suse NOW so I don’t know how user friendly it actually but I know they used to cripple their codecs and graphics drivers for patent concerns. I KNOW it doesn’t have newb friendly community like Ubuntu.
SUSE downloads the Nvidia driver for you with the online update and has better hardware support out of the box than any distro I've ever seen.
Well hell, isn't that what the op asked? What... you want to limited it to one recommendation and call it good? Who's... yours?Quote:
Originally posted here by very_unhappy
Basically you are recommending this newb, things that YOU like.
phoenixmajestic,
There's some good recommendations posted. You can download them for near nothing (cost of cds). So if you have a high speed connection, d/l several and give them a whirl. If you don't have high speed, go over to a friends house and do it.
Also, I'd seriously consider rcgreen's recommendation.
cheers
What languages are you interested in? I would think that if all you're interested in is programming in Java or C++ or Perl, all you need to look for is a basic and stable Linux distribution (suggestions galore when it comes to that).Quote:
All I want is programming tools The more the merrier.
What kind of tools are you looking for? Editors? Compilers?... I assume you're not looking for .NET tools (I wouldn't dare recommending VS.NET in a thread that has "Linux" in the title)?
I would say it really depends how linux savvy you are. I would like to say that I use debian, but I really use Ubuntu (which is great for people that don't know anything about linux...which from the sounds of it, is not for you).
I am also partial to slackware because of two reasons: 1) it is a lot more like Unix than most Linux distros, and 2) it reminds me of Minix (yes, I admit it! I love Minix more than Linux, there I've said it!).
Debian Linux, from my understanding, has the GCC bundled with it; or you could make your own Linux distro with only the GNU packages and the Linux kernel alone (I'd use it!).
How can you bash gore for his opinions when your post was entirely opinionated drivel....Quote:
Originally posted here by very_unhappy
Basically you are recommending this newb, things that YOU like.
1. Dude, I ****ing love Slack. I think That Slack & Debian are the only pure distros out there. But what if the guy has wide screen monitor, some weird MB build sound chip, or wants proprietary graphics drivers. & forget about playing avi’s. It’ll be a month w/ all the “help” out there before he tackled one thing w/ Slack.
2. I don’t use Suse NOW so I don’t know how user friendly it actually but I know they used to cripple their codecs and graphics drivers for patent concerns. I KNOW it doesn’t have newb friendly community like Ubuntu.
You recommend what you like...
The SuSE Community is great to new users... their mailing lists are awesome... Who cares about afew crippled codecs.... they are very easily replaced (it takes all of 30 seconds on google and maybe 2 minutes of a persons time)...
Libranet is one of the few distrobutions that I keep CDs around for... It's very nice...
Slackware is the one I don't agree with (but that's because I've always been anti slackware.... possibly because the last time I used it there was a 3 after it) and even you recommended it... Gore made his recommendations based on his experience and preferences... here you are bashing operating systems that you don't even use anymore...
As for your recommendations... You recommended Ubuntu and then referenced apt... then said use Debian to learn.... you do realize that Ubuntu uses a Debian base right? Debian is the grand daddy of apt...
I've never subscribed to the whole "Use this distro because it's easy but then switch to this if you want to learn"...
It's like Gentoo users... -- If you don't use Gentoo Stage 1 you really don't know anything.... actually I do... I know that you are entirely pathetic and have no life so you can waste 3 days on an install process...
But saying you need to switch away from Ubuntu to learn.. that's pure ****ing BS.... Ubuntu is debian base which means that underlying manual configuration is the same on both... so you won't learn anything extra by switching to Debian.... so your post was filled with more garbage than gore's...
If you wanted to do something other than be a little bitch and start trolling because you lack any sort of real IT knowledge perhaps you should have argued that based on gore's post he called Debian a trend.. when it's anything but... I would have argued that SuSE is more of a trend... and that Libranet which is a Debian base is nothing but a knock off... However I've used (and still use SuSE) and they are great distros...
You can't really use the world "trend" with describing operating systems...
Slackware is the trend among people who WANT to be considered hardcore (want is bolded for a reason)
Debian is the trend among people who WANT to have what's considered the most stable Linux systems
RedHat is the trend among businesses
Trend is a crappy word... Fad is a good word... knockoff is a good word..
There are only really two original distrobutions still around.... Debian and RedHat... and Slackware originally came out before Debian but Slackware was SLS and before that it was MCC but you could add it to the bunch since those were more of name changes than branches... so three originals... Slackware... Debian... RedHat... Everything else can be considered a branch of one of those three..
Mandrake/Fedora (RedHat)
Ubuntu/Libranet (Debian)
VectorLinux/SuSE (Slackware) (Yes I know because of RPM many people think SuSE is RedHat based.. but it comes from Slackware)
There are still plenty of other non-branched Linuxes... ArkLinux, Gentoo (Although it's Enoch renamed) and Crux (which Arch Linux branched off) for example but they came years after the originals..
So what's the difference.... One isn't harder than the other... One won't make it easier for you to learn the use it than the others... One won't allow you learn more than the others... They are different packages... ultimately all with the same base... The Linux kernel which is nothing but a knockoff (see there's that word) of Unix
Do you want a fancy graphical installer?? Then you probably want Fedora, SuSE or Ubuntu... do you want a plethora of preinstalled packages and applications... then you probably want SuSE.... Do want simplified package management... These days with rpm, apt,emerge and everything else... that doesn't matter they all have it...
Ultimately pick one and go with it... no one can ever tell you the best because there isn't a "best" one..There's personal preference.... I regularly touch Ubuntu, Debian, RedHat, SuSE and other Linux distros (we're talking daily basis)... Everyone does what I need it to do... and they'll all perform the same tasks as others.. on some I just may have to add an additional package to make it happen... however I can also tell you that i use FreeBSD, HP-UX, Solaris, SunOS and AIX regularly and even then.. other than some terminal differences when you're ssh'd in... and the occasional command missing... they all operate the same at heart...
It's like having twins, triplets or octuplets.. except that it's more like multiple groups of centuplets (if that's a word)... You have some that are identical... you can't tell the difference (cat /etc/issue)... then you have some with subtle differences and a couple that are uniquely distinct...
I remember the first time I encountered xinetd... it took me by surprise.... but now it's everywhere... everyone adapts the same things.... it just may take some longer than others...
Put distrobution names on a piece of paper... put it on a dart board and toss.... If you're unhappy try another..but you'll very quickly find that when you look inside them.. they're all the same...
Peace,
HT
I should point out the trend thing was meant for the At the moment Ubuntu popularity. Wasn't meant any other way though that is my fault. I Love Slackware, as it's easy to install, and there is a great amount of software you can download, and it's just REALLY nice for when you have an old old machine you want to use, and of course the resources it uses are small.
SUSE, obviously, the oldest Linux company still around. you know there is support, and when it comes to security, the SUSE team are great. :)
That's the thing though.. the same software can be downloaded for any distro... most old machines will run most distros (with a few exceptions and even those can be slimmed down)... the only reason it seems to "run better on old machines" is because it is a minimal install.... I've got Ubuntu on a 300Mhz/64MB RAM Clamshell iBook and a 350Mhz/128MB iMac/Quote:
Originally posted here by gore
[B]I should point out the trend thing was meant for the At the moment Ubuntu popularity. Wasn't meant any other way though that is my fault. I Love Slackware, as it's easy to install, and there is a great amount of software you can download, and it's just REALLY nice for when you have an old old machine you want to use, and of course the resources it uses are small.[b]
SuSE isn't the oldest company... SuSE came out in 94, the same time as redhat.... Slackware and Debian were 93 but there are differences..Quote:
SUSE, obviously, the oldest Linux company still around. you know there is support, and when it comes to security, the SUSE team are great. :)
SuSE took someone elses base... Slackware wasn't always slackware... the other two were from scratch projects.. Now SuSE was a company prior to having been a Linux distro... they sold slackware... but SuSE as a distro was just another knockoff (the first knock off).. :)Code:Linux Kernel ---> MCC --> SLS ---> Slackware
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SuSE
Linux Kernel --> Debian
Linux Kernel --> RedHat