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Pirate it off a warez site? Never! I'd borrow the CD and copy it instead - saves long downloads!
Alternatively you could boot up into DOS and type: format C: and then press 'y'. This would solve any windows problems you might be experiencing! (then just install SuSE or another distro).
Someone's actually paying you to make this? Strange world...Quote:
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BTW: it's easier if you make your links actually link... Saves us a lot of copy and paste.
That should be: where there is a "lock", a "key" can be made. As my grandfather - who was a locksmith - used to say to customers asking for a 'safe' lock: 'I'll make you one without a key'...Quote:
where there is a "lock" there is a "key"
No security for Win9x and WinME?Quote:
The version matters a lot. If you are talking win9x or ME then there is NO SECURITY . However, its NT, 2K or XP,it can be made secure if they are configured properly.
If configured properly, there's enough security for most of us.
With the proper tools, there's *almost* as must security as there is in Linux.
Windows installation offers installation options, you know.Quote:
Out of the box there is very little security in any MS product
If you mean: 'the standard MS configuration offers very little security', you might be right.
But if you install SuSE 7.2 (the complete package, 6 CD's), your 'standard configuration' won't be that secure, neither.
I'd like to refer to this thread. I've seen a lot of usefull tips there, but nothing that can't be done in Windows. Maybe you guys can give me something?
Sounds funny, coming from a Windows-user.Quote:
Whats Wi..Wi..Windows....Se..Se..Security?
Probably a guy with no internet connection. Hey, I remember the DOS-era, and I've never had more viruses than back in those days (without an internet connection!).Quote:
Well i remember talking to someone else about viruses and saying, I remember windows 3.1 where all u needed was VSafe and you were set.
Boot up into DOS from a bootdisk, that is. Trying to format the c:-drive from c:\> is something even DOS won't accept.Quote:
Alternatively you could boot up into DOS and type: format C: and then press 'y'. This would solve any windows problems you might be experiencing!
Another very mature and helpfull comment...
Win95/98 -> Okay for personal Use
NT/2000 -> Dunno, I don't use it.
I am TIRED of hearing people say windows 9x has no security whatsoever. :rolleyes: JEEZ! IT doesn't NEED that much network security! The only things you have to watch out for is local access (which lets you get around most anything out there anyway, with enough time) and Idiot-users who install netbus, who aren't PART of the OS. So long as you don't have NetBeui over your Dial-up adapter, and don't share anything, what can anyone do to my Win98 box short of either a high-traffic DOS attack (which, I might add, works against most everything else too) or sneaking up to it in person?
The only reason I run a firewall is that I'm paranoid.
Windows 9x, properly patched and with shares/NetBEUI disabled, doesn't have enough FEATURES that are exploitable to be dangerous in non-local-access situation. For 'personal use' it's probably locked up in your house.
Someone's actually paying you to make this? Strange world...Quote:
Originally posted by Negative
BTW: it's easier if you make your links actually link... Saves us a lot of copy and paste.
>> I'm a professional webmaster, so of course people are paying me to design their sites. I don't work for free, as I'm sure you wouldn't if you were in my position. I'd like to see you design a better site.
>> I have now made my links link, however since HTML is turned off I had to use vB code, which is basically HTML simplified so people of your limited intelligence and humour can use it.
Whats Wi..Wi..Windows....Se..Se..Security?
>> Rather an amusing comment, but obviously your mind can't handle humour or satire.
Boot up into DOS from a bootdisk, that is. Trying to format the c:-drive from c:\> is something even DOS won't accept.
Another very mature and helpfull comment...
>> Obviously you have to boot from a bootdisk and not the MBR, and DOS *will* accept the format C: command on the C:\> prompt, though you'll get an error when format tries to format format (if you get what I mean, you probably won't though being the uneducated moron you are).
Probably a guy with no internet connection. Hey, I remember the DOS-era, and I've never had more viruses than back in those days (without an internet connection!).
>> I can remember the DOS-era as well, but the only reasons viruses have ever been problematic is because people like you are ignorant enough to open e-mail attachments from people you don't know.
But if you install SuSE 7.2 (the complete package, 6 CD's), your 'standard configuration' won't be that secure, neither.
>> FYI, SuSE comes with 7 CDs and a DVD. And CDs doesn't have an apostrophe in it.
>> Your 'standard configuration' is more secure than windows for the very fact that you can't gain access to the computer by hitting the 'cancel' button. Also, UNIX (which Linux is based on) is inherently secure anyway, though obviously an out-of-the-box distro isn't going to perform as well as one tweaked to perfection by a sysadmin.
>> Grow up and get a sense of humour.
pwaring.
I didn't even have an internet connection back in those days...Quote:
I can remember the DOS-era as well, but the only reasons viruses have ever been problematic is because people like you are ignorant enough to open e-mail attachments from people you don't know
The only reason viruses were problematic for me, was 'diskettes'.
I've never had viruses since then, thank you!
You know what? You're right!Quote:
FYI, SuSE comes with 7 CDs and a DVD
That's all you could find? Damn, I'm good. I'd like to see you do that in Dutch...Quote:
And CDs doesn't have an apostrophe in it.
True, for Win9x and ME. And NT/2000??? BTW: I always lock my door when I'm gone. And there's a BIOS password.Quote:
Your 'standard configuration' is more secure than windows for the very fact that you can't gain access to the computer by hitting the 'cancel' button
As Terr stated: 'Windows 9x, properly patched and with shares/NetBEUI disabled, doesn't have enough FEATURES that are exploitable to be dangerous in non-local-access situation. For 'personal use' it's probably locked up in your house.'
I'm working on that...Quote:
Grow up and get a sense of humour.
I'll try to follow your example.
Thanks for that affirmation, Neg. And as one of those people who is incapable of knowing when their point has been finally made, I would like to add:
Local access is usually the ultimate in danger for a computer. So what if windows doesn't protect against a local intruder... (That seems like a contradiction in terms.)Quote:
Your 'standard configuration' is more secure than windows for the very fact that you can't gain access to the computer by hitting the 'cancel' button.
Take a garden-variety Linux version, install it, make an insanely long root password. Come back shut it down, flip the cmos battery/jumper to erase any bootup password, set a few settings in the bios, boot to Trinux or something...
To say windows has no security because it has no local-security, it like saying that my house isn't safe because my front door isn't locked against a large tank. Your door might be locked against the tank, but it won't do much good either, so why brag?
As for the 'cancel button' problem... who uses a PERSONAL 9X (as opposed to public computers) in a multiuser environment with people the don't trust anyway?
Yes, THIS . Couldn't suppress a smile when I read this...
Originally posted by Terr
Take a garden-variety Linux version, install it, make an insanely long root password. Come back shut it down, flip the cmos battery/jumper to erase any bootup password, set a few settings in the bios, boot to Trinux or something...
>> Well of course there's always the option of resetting the CMOS jumpers - there has to be a back door for ignorant people who set a BIOS password and then forget it (although those type of people wouldn't know how to reset the jumpers...)
>> Besides, it'd be almost as easy to just take out the hard drive and put it in your own computer if you had local access anyway (this would mean you would steal all the data with less risk of being caught.
To say windows has no security because it has no local-security, it like saying that my house isn't safe because my front door isn't locked against a large tank. Your door might be locked against the tank, but it won't do much good either, so why brag?
>> But how likely is it that a large tank will ram against your door? Less likely than someone gaining local access to your computer.
As for the 'cancel button' problem... who uses a PERSONAL 9X (as opposed to public computers) in a multiuser environment with people the don't trust anyway?
>> You'd be surprised at the number of people I've seen who do
>> The main point is that Windows is far less secure when accessed remotely than Linux is (if both were configured by an expert such as my good self ;-)) No computer is 100% secure - there's always a way round, a back door for when things go wrong, but Linux is still far more secure than Windows overall.
pwaring.
Pwaring said:
>> The main point is that Windows is far less secure when accessed remotely than Linux is (if both were configured by an expert such as my good self ;-)) No computer is 100% secure - there's always a way round, a back door for when things go wrong, but Linux is still far more secure than Windows overall.
I thought your main point was the local security of a pc, ie: cancelling the windows login box (which, btw, is for loading user profiles, desktop, start menu etc - there has never been any concept of local security on a windows 9x box, it is not a multi-user OS). What these "back doors for when things go wrong"? Again you've moved from remote access security to local security cuz the only "back door for when things go wrong" i can think of is a rescue disk for a damaged system, which has to be used localy.
There are so many mistakes in ALL of your posts, it would depress me to have to and go read them again to cut and paste them in, here's a few from memory:
"Visual Basic is simplified HTML" - lol
"the only reason virii have ever been problemtic is because of idiots who open email attachments" - Really? I think you believe all virii are vb macro virii, strange beliefs for such a die hard *nix user!
"SUSE comes in X cd's (sic) or 1 DVD" The boxed version of SUSE 7.2 comes in that form, is that the only version of SUSE?
"linux is based on UNIX" Actually Linus took most of the ideas for the original linux kernel from minix, an os coded by a professor for his students to learn from.The main unix conection would have to be the gnu tools.
"UNIX is inherrently secure" Certainly the file system and ownership concepts in unix are more secure than the dos "anyone owns everything" but UNIX was originaly designed to easily allow remote access, how sucure would an early BSD install be if connected to the net now?
"If your using win9x security probably isn't a concern" I know lots of people who still use windows 98 games etc, do you think all of them are point & drool AOL types?
Although I know what you mean, this is just to get things straight: cd's (sic, indeed) was my mistake, not Pwaring's (Pwarings? Hey, can anyone explain the rules to me, please? Kapperdog? Terr? Something like this? one cd, two cds, a cd's box (as in the box of a cd, or a cds box as in a box for cds)? Correct me if I'm wrong ;) )Quote:
"SUSE comes in X cd's (sic) or 1 DVD" The boxed version of SUSE 7.2 comes in that form, is that the only version of SUSE?
We were talking about the complete package, btw.
I agree on this one :pQuote:
There are so many mistakes in ALL of your posts
As I said before: Il-y-a des gens qui parlent beaucoup, mais disent rien du tout...