I don't beliv.. But if i should beliv in somthing it should be allah....
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I don't beliv.. But if i should beliv in somthing it should be allah....
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ok enough you get the point.
Then I assume Linus Torvalds is your God?Quote:
Originally posted by Ghost_25inf
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ok enough you get the point.
I'd like to see some evidence on that one, Ennis ;) And please come up with something more scientific than the bible...Quote:
Originally posted by Ennis
Well Jesus did in fact live, it is fact.
I don't say there was no Jesus some 2000 years ago. Jesus was a common name in that time, in that part of the world.
I couldn't have said it better, Ennis (at least not in English ;) ).Quote:
Originally posted by Ennis
The Bible is just a methaphor for life, it is not supposed to accurate but a collection of stories helping it's followers understand the way of life they should live etc.
Well, that's what satanism is all about, Shmoo ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Shmoo
Then they tell me I'm a Satanist! How the **** can I be a Satanist if I don’t even believe in god!
I guess you're mixing up satanism and devil-worshipping here:Quote:
Anton Szandor LaVey - The Satanic Bible - 1966
Satanism has been referred to as an "unreligion" in the sense that it does not subscribe to the notion of an anthropomorphic deity and, by extension, some being who must be worshiped, its most common misconception. Others say that Satanism is redefining religion to some extent, not content with the dictates of Judeo-Xtian strictures. Both are valid opinions.
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Reverend Matt G. Paradise, Grotto Master for the Church of Satan
Satanism and devil worship are two distinctly different animals. Devil worship is what it is: the worship of an external deity, much as it could be labeled inverse Xtianity. The Satan in Satanism is an archetype, one many know by name and is relative to the culture. Some Satanists choose different aspects of this archetype, depending on geography or just plain aesthetics, but the same characteristics still hold true. It would make little sense for us to claim to embody the archetypal qualities of Satan (rebellion, rational self-interest, carnality, etc.) on one hand, and then attempt to worship an anthropomorphic Satan on the other. In laymen's terms, it's hardly rebellious to worship a figure that represents rebellion. Devil worshipers need to be subjugated, ask for it by their own actions. The Satanist finds such unproductive and one-sided activities to be draining and useless (not to mention hypocritical).
There was only room for one in that stable, Shmoo...Quote:
Originally posted by Shmoo
Anyways, how do we know Jesus didn’t have a twin brother?
You seem to believe in science, Shmoo, yet you strongly believe in spirits or ghosts? Makes no 'god damn sense' to me ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Shmoo
What I do believe in though is spirits or ghosts.
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go take a couple years in biology, history, and physics and get some god damn sense in your heads.
Some 5 billion years ago?Quote:
Originally posted by Matty Cross
Althought my desire to base on stars does leave one question.. where do you start???
I don't like the idea of having to write "11/04/5.000.000.001" or something like that when I'm asked to fill in a date ;)
Interesting indeed... There's also 1 billion people in this world who live in the year 1379 (In AD 622, Muhammed did something special, some place...). And there's also a vast amount of people who think our calendar should be based on Elvis' birthday.Quote:
Originally posted by DrKevorkian
it is interesting that our calendar is based on the death of Jesus... and we're not marking time after the death of anyone else are we?
'Soon I discoverd that this rock thing was true.... Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil... Jesus was an archtitect previous to his career as a prophet... All of a sudden, I found myself in love with the world . So, there it was, the only one thing that I could do, was dinge-ding-dang my dange-long-ling-long...'Quote:
Originally posted by Slinger
Jesus built my hot rod ...
I believe that religion has alot to answer for. I believe that you are an idiot for raising such topics here.
Shouldn't you be out knocking on peoples doors and just being very annoying?
I believe theres a force out there that most of us consider God. In every religion I've read there are similiarities. In my belief everyone that is monotheisitc worships the same thing even though we call he/she/it different names. Jehovah, Lord, The Green Man, Allah, all are the same. There are so many names it would take forever to learn them all. Unfortunately for me I can only think of a few right now.
Hi guys.
I think we can all agree that this world we live in right now is real.
But who or what created it? You can believe the world was created after some big-bang, but what were before it and where did that come from. Perhaps you believe the world was created by (a) god.
Both allegation are incomprehensible by our mind. We can always go a step back in time and ask the question, what existed before this? No one can answer the question, it's impossible to understand the beginning of time.
My point is just as you can't give a proof by science that there is a god, you can't prove the opposite, that there is no god and that the world was created by random. It's simply a question of belief.
Is it really that hard to belive that we were all created by god?
P.S. I myself are a Christian.
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Originally posted by Calvary
I also believe in Jesus.
He is my Lord and Savior. I believe that he died on the cross for my sins, was buried in a tomb, and rose from the dead, and ascended into to heaven. I believe that these events are historically proveable, and that the evidence is undeniable. :thumbsup:
Blessings....
Calvary
Calvary, are you baptist? im baptist, (not a good one (i smoke swear, and cause anarchy at the local plaza)) i would like to know why a christian is a member of a "security" site. reply s.v.p
ps. i live in brampton, ontario
My opinion is that you can't even be sure about that one, Koger... Maybe we are just some fabrications in someone's mind...Quote:
Originally posted by Koger
I think we can all agree that this world we live in right now is real.
About the rest of your post, Koger: that's the most intelligent thing I've heard in a long time ;)
Well, except for the 'Is it really that hard to belive that we were all created by god?', because that still leaves you with the question who created god...
Just one referance to Alllah.....:confused: :rolleyes: Who's your God...come on who's your God....:)
Ahh, the perplexities of the beginning. The scientific theory goes that the universe was created by a spontaneous event called the big bang. Of course, there's still the problem of what was there before it. Perhaps this universe is just a subdimension of another universe (think of the end of Men in Black: Aliens playing marbles with our universe, the cat with the galaxy on its neck). Then again, where did that universe come from?
On the other hand, the universe, an extremely large and complex mechanism with defined rules that control all possibilities, was created spontaneously. So what rules out that a supreme being, an entity that could control the infinite nothingness that was, could be created just as spontaneously.
Now for a couple of perhaps disturbing possibilities. Our universe could be the creation of a supreme being, but that supreme being could just be a scientist of a higher universe doing a study on dimensional physics for its 5th grade science class project. Or perhaps we are the figment of someone's imagination, locked in a coma in another world, another time.
Finally, what makes you think that this universe is even in any way real at all? Could it be that you're just crazy and were all figments of your depraved imagination? That, in reality, you're sitting in a cave dying, with no one around, no one in you're reality? What if you don't exist at all?
The possibilities are endless. We all seek to learn how we came to be here. Many need to believe that we have god, otherwise, there is the horrible probability that there can not be such a thing as pure good, and since there is no god, there may be no devil, in which case, we are the only ones we have to blame for all the suffering in this world. Likewise, yet oppositely, there are those who believe in the big bang or other scientific theories. They need these theories to prove that there is some law in the universe, that everything is not random but structured, and that reality is not based on whim.
In the end though, scientific facts, whether natural or purposefully created or even imagined, are still there, and they dictate that the universe is in a constant state of entropy with our world destined to come to an end in a red ball of fire by the expansion of the sun into a red giant. These laws also dictate that there can be no perpetual motion machine, including the universe, and the universe will eventually settle into a static mass, with no differences of any type anywhere.
What one believes is just as likely as another's belief, that is, if there is anyone else in the first place...
Well said man, well said.
Yes the question of are we real can really make my head spin :confused:
In a quiet moment try to think about the infinity of the universe. It will make you dizzy trying to grasp and imagine something truly incomprehensible like where the universe ends :)
The Creation vs. Evolution argument has been raging for years with no end in sight. An atheist Russian astronomer visiting America once said, “Either there is a God or there isn’t. Both possibilities are frightening!” The Russian astronomer was right: either the universe was designed, or it came about by random chance. These appear to be the only two known options. Which of these views you adopt as your philosophy or life will have a profound effect on many decisions you make and your eternal destiny when life is over.
If there is a Creator, we need to find out who He is, what He wants and do what He says! If there is no Creator, if the evolution theory is true and the universe was formed by chance, then there are no absolutes regarding right and wrong – there are no rules! Man becomes God.
There are four great questions in life:
1. Who am I?
2. Where did I come from?
3. Why am I here?
4. Where am I going when I die?
Your answer to these questions will depend upon which of these “world-views” you have chosen. Many major decisions and topics of debate in this life really are determined by which philosophy you adopt.
I myself am a Christian. . . . and I hope none of you hold that against me. :) To each his own.
Well honestly.. I believe that the bible was the christians way of ripping off the Torah(The first five books from the OT from the Jews.. And twisting it to their own perception of reality thus introducing a "savior and an enemy". Christianity could never have such a strong following with out the tools it uses for brainwashing etc. One thing I can say that is good that came out of christianity is the .. um never mind :) Well that is my little piece on what I think.
24 Comic Sans MS purple Alright im not saying im a devil :firedevil worshiper but I was never babtised, never been to church, and I was brought up to belive in any religion I choose as I get older...and I still dont have one! :)
Alright im not saying im a devil :firedevil worshiper but I was never babtised, never been to church, and I was brought up to belive in any religion I choose as I get older...and I still dont have one! :)
Do you believe in double posting?
Hey Ennis... Dont blame me! I dont know how to do stuff! I just signed up 2 days ago! lol And No I dont belive in double posting...I belive in triple posting...
I was only messing dude, nice to see you not taking it serious. LOL!
the term is "agnostic", but I am a believer. I can't help it. GOD has done absolutely amazing things in my life. People are usually amazed to find out that a little over two years ago I was sitting in a prison cell in Stateville Pen. for possession with intent to deliver of 42 hits of acid and strung out on halucinogens and now I'm 20, still alive and well, a sophmore+ at Illinois State University majoring in telecommunications, and feeling better than I ever have before. It's not a lifestyle and it's not perfect. It's a relationship and it's a roller-coaster ride, but man.... eternity is forever and I can't wait.
Peace,
thinkt4nk
Those who believe ye shall succeed.
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Originally posted by Kezil
Ahh, the perplexities of the beginning. The scientific theory goes that the universe was created by a spontaneous event called the big bang. Of course, there's still the problem of what was there before it. Perhaps this universe is just a subdimension of another universe (think of the end of Men in Black: Aliens playing marbles with our universe, the cat with the galaxy on its neck). Then again, where did that universe come from?
On the other hand, the universe, an extremely large and complex mechanism with defined rules that control all possibilities, was created spontaneously. So what rules out that a supreme being, an entity that could control the infinite nothingness that was, could be created just as spontaneously.
Now for a couple of perhaps disturbing possibilities. Our universe could be the creation of a supreme being, but that supreme being could just be a scientist of a higher universe doing a study on dimensional physics for its 5th grade science class project. Or perhaps we are the figment of someone's imagination, locked in a coma in another world, another time.
Finally, what makes you think that this universe is even in any way real at all? Could it be that you're just crazy and were all figments of your depraved imagination? That, in reality, you're sitting in a cave dying, with no one around, no one in you're reality? What if you don't exist at all?
The possibilities are endless. We all seek to learn how we came to be here. Many need to believe that we have god, otherwise, there is the horrible probability that there can not be such a thing as pure good, and since there is no god, there may be no devil, in which case, we are the only ones we have to blame for all the suffering in this world. Likewise, yet oppositely, there are those who believe in the big bang or other scientific theories. They need these theories to prove that there is some law in the universe, that everything is not random but structured, and that reality is not based on whim.
In the end though, scientific facts, whether natural or purposefully created or even imagined, are still there, and they dictate that the universe is in a constant state of entropy with our world destined to come to an end in a red ball of fire by the expansion of the sun into a red giant. These laws also dictate that there can be no perpetual motion machine, including the universe, and the universe will eventually settle into a static mass, with no differences of any type anywhere.
What one believes is just as likely as another's belief, that is, if there is anyone else in the first place...
And the last line says it all.........................anyways a lot of effort put in there!! good job!:bigsmile:
YES I BELIEVE..BUT IT IS A HARD FIGHT BETWEEN WHAT I WANT TO DO AND WHAT FAITH TEACHES NOT TO DO..BUT I THINK WITH AN EFFORT I CAN LIVE WITH OUT WHAT I LIKE JUST TO UPHOLD WHAT I BELIEVE
In my opinion, the name of the forum says it all. "Jesus Saves."