Palestine.......

Meth - that doesn't mean they didn't know about it. but i would never doubt that the government was part of it. it would not be hard for them to do. besides, look how easy it was to convince every one it was bin Laden (who never took official credit, although he mentioned it on a tape that i believe was fake) the reason no other truth has come out is cause every one thinks we got the bad guy, so y look harder? and anyone who brings up the fact anything else could have happened, people either refuse to believe it (cause the gov't is good) or they just think that the person is an idiot or just trying to cause trouble (as we have seen here at ao) so the truth may never come out. do you think the truth ever came out in death of JFK? prolly never will. and i most definitely think they had something to do with the anthrax. the same strain was being made in utah. and haven't you heard about the whole deal with agent orange back during truman's presidency?

Lord - Agent Oragne was during the Vietnam era, Nixon I believe....

As for the gov't being invovled, I don;t buy it for the follwoiing cynical reasons:

A. It would be very difficult for the the US Gov't to arrainge ann atcck on both the WTC and Pentagon without worid leaking out..look at watergare and other CIA "actions" that always leak out to the public...
B. If the US Gov't wanted to do this, they would have gone for more smaller events that would be more terrifiying...like they planned back in the 60's.
C. IF the US Gov't were to do this kinda attack...they wouldn't hit two of the largest GOv't Bldgs where they have many offices and get a huge ammount of rent from (thats right the WTC was owned and leased by the NY/NJ Port Authorty, and housed the FBI, ATF, and all those other three letter agencies).

So for those reasons, and some more patriotic and naive ones, I don't by US Gov't inovlvoment!

Also, look what it did to the economy. It doesnt make any sense that our gov would wanna crash our economy like this and that was the ultimate goal of that ****. If they wanted to destroy the Taliban they could have come up with a reason to do so that was alot less destructive to our own country.

The united states government already admitted they knew about the attacks before they happened. They were well aware of the situation from repeated threats. I wouldn't doubt they let it happen so they could have an excuse to invade Islamic countries. :2pick:

The United States Government didnt admit to anything of the sort. And exactly why would they want an excuse to invade Islamic countries?

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Un saludo.

Obviamente, esas imagenes son crudas y duras, pero desde mi punto de vista son sacadas fuera de contexto.

Habiendo como hay un conflicto Belico donde los perjudicados son los Israelies, este tipo de imagenes no ayuda a nada a contribuir a la lucha por la paz en oriente medio.

Puestos poner imagenes, por que no pones la de los hombres bomba que se deflagran en un pizza hut, asesinando niños tambien, esas fotos son acciones de guerra, son daños colaterales inevitables.

Son los Palestinos los culpables de su situacion.

PD. Sorry If you do not understand spanish, but i guess that if I understood what your post said, certainlyu you wil bee able to understand mine.

Misha Orangenbaum

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Originally posted by Misha
A greeting. Obviously, those images are raw and hard, but since my point of view they are removed out of context. Having as there is a conflict Belico where the perjudicados they are the Israelies, this type of images does not help to nothing to contribute to it fights by the peace in medium east. Positions to put images, because not you put that of the men bomb that itself deflagran in a pizza hut, murdering neitherños tambien, those photos are actions of war, they are givesños inevitable collaterals. They are the Palestinos the guilty of their situacion.
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actually . it's a point of view, as well u can find allot of sites which shows the other side pics, and openions.

but do they have another choice to kill instead of a pizza bomber .. do they have the weapons that israelis have .. i think if they had such a thing it will be a fare war to start.
and the real end of israel.

Your'e correct. Israel is way better armed than rthe Palestinians. War is never fair though. This is how it oges. If the Palestinians were smart they would give peace talks a chance and comprimise. They wont do this though. Survival of the fittest will eventually take care of the problem. There is no doubt about that.

when they gave chance for peace talk before, israeil did but, on the other hand they were Colonizing in my country,
where was the Un and USA and the European community then.
how could we proceed with the peace process in that case.

You actually live there? That hasta be rough.

I think the US played a huge role in the peace talks. If I;m not mistaken both Sharon and Arrafat met at camp David in the US. Arrafat backed out at the last minute for no known reason. IMO he's a wingnut and your country will do much better if you get rid of him. That's just my opinion though and I realize that most of what I nkow about him comes from CNN and they could be a tad biased.

"israeil did but, on the other hand they were Colonizing in my country,"

Israel thinks it's their country right? No progress will ever be made on the Palestinian side until a true cease fire is called and talks begin. It's more than obvious that attacking the Israelis is very counter productive to what you guys are trying to accomplish.

regarding arafat .. as for me, i don't like this guy...
as for israelis they think it's their country, i would like to tell u that most of israelis want to leave what they call their country, what a loyal ppl. they have down there.
as for my ppl. they would rather to die in their country but not leaving it... althought they have a 2nd choice, which we all know "Jordan"
but they won't leave.
that's a final answer ... and believe me .. my openion count here.. i'm a palestenian, and half of my family died there protecting our lands and families.

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C. IF the US Gov't were to do this kinda attack...they wouldn't hit two of the largest GOv't Bldgs where they have many offices and get a huge ammount of rent from (thats right the WTC was owned and leased by the NY/NJ Port Authorty, and housed the FBI, ATF, and all those other three letter agencies).

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first... the WTC was not supposed to collapse. it was built to withstand that kind of impact... and second the center was hit at the least populated time. you think that if bin Laden wanted to kill american's he would take the extra two minutes to find out when the most people were therenot saying they did it... just saying it's odd.

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And exactly why would they want an excuse to invade Islamic countries?

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to remove the taliban and so we could build our oil pipe line. also to end communist eign... look at who our next targets are Iran, Irag, and North Korea.

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Also, look what it did to the economy. It doesnt make any sense that our gov would wanna crash our economy like this and that was the ultimate goal of that ****.

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War usually stimulates economy and if the buildings hadn't fell, this prolly would have to.

hmm i remember one thing a friend of mine once said..

"in war, there is no winner. everyone looses."

and its true..

but what they really did, distroy a whole country for taliban and OBL.
crazy to believe, if they wanted OBL, they would get him just like that .
so there's a much bigger reason to attack a country

they needed to go to war to eliminate the taliban and fight communism. simple as that

Lord X -
You have been reading to many sci fi novels....

First off:
The WTC was not built to survive the impact of a fully loaded 7x7 (whatever number it was) with a full tank of full flying at full speed (or so) and then a second one on the second tower...in fact we were amazed that they stood as long as they did (and thank god for that, as more people were able to get out!)

Second - We are not targeting Cuba or China, the two more dangerous communist regieme, nor are we targeting Libya or other Muslim states....though to be honest I don't see the point in attacking eitehr Iran or North Korea (athough Sadam has to go at some point)...

and harram - Israeli settlers should be treated like the criminals they are...or be forced to obtain Palestinian Citizen ship! Now that would be worth seeing!

There IS no Palestine, and there never will be.
Stop whining and deal with it.

There will not be a second coming of Adolf Hitler.
The ******* is dead. Get over it.
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It's no wonder why a lot of people hate jews. The american media is jewish controlled as we all know, and we only see what they want us to see. Remember, right after the attacks on 9/11.....there were pictures all over the news showing kids celebrating in the streets waving palestinian flags? Well, that was found to be some news footage from the Gulf war era and just used as a way to control the masses. Some rich and dishonest jew decided to lie to the american people and try to make us think Islamic countries were celebrating the attack. Israel probably celebrated more than the Taliban. They saw this as an opportunity to turn people against Muslims everywhere........makes me f**king sick! Allahu Akhbar!!! 786
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It's no wonder why a lot of people hate jews.

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Yeah, whatever...
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I think this is a perfect opportunity to see what Islam really is. It's a bunch of uneducated cultish thugs. I am ready for the day when regular Americans form thier own terrorist organizations and start by killing off these cleric freaks.

Jewish, Cristian, Budist it doesn't matter Islam hates everyone else. Let Allah sort em out.

Spelling corrections.... woops only had about 2 hours of sleep. Christian that is....

Thanks for the EYE CANDY, nothing more, nothing less. Pictures are NOT worth a thousand words. Pictures can be manipulated to form opinions of soft hearted people. Until you see it up close and have been there, then and only then can you form a true opinion. The capitations below the picture are just progaganda nothing more.

Poor child, everybody always says it, but when you watch a child with hand grenades walk into a bar or eating establishment. Lift the arms and the grenades hit the floor and send a few of your buddies home in body bags. Then tell me about pictures. Wrong place, wrong time nothing else.

In the series of pictures of the father and son, how do we not know the cameraman shot the picture and the father and son for a story. Think about it.

a fun slightly related article... http://slate.msn.com/?id=2062498

Wow. You found an article about U.S. propaganda. Luckily in the U.S. you can report about the gov't propaganda without being beheaded.

lol... how true... just thought it was a funny article

Harraam, RCGreen -

This is just getting uncivilized and bigoted...just like the mid-east....

Human Nature? Stupidity? Jim about to get flamed? You be the judge...

i agree Jim... i say let's drop this thread and let it die. It ran a good run, but has basically lost it's way.