These guys are smart. I mean, they really know how to silence a gun (its probably silenced) and pick up the little shells all over the street. Those precautionary steps are the ones that are giving the feds a hard time..
Regards,
Silentstalker
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These guys are smart. I mean, they really know how to silence a gun (its probably silenced) and pick up the little shells all over the street. Those precautionary steps are the ones that are giving the feds a hard time..
Regards,
Silentstalker
IMO, This guy is a very good shot... I mean you try kiling someone with a deer rifle from about 300yds away :shocked:
My guess is hes ex-military
From what they are reporting Silent people are hearing the shot... The one this morning a State Trooper was across the street from where the man fell and he heard the shot... And the way it sounds who ever is doing this has left behind the shell casings... Who ever it is is following the Sniper motto "One Shot, One Kill" pretty well... Except for the kid at the school on Wed the "sniper" (I hate using that term for this a55hole) is firing one shot at each person... Fox reported this morning that he has been engaging his targets from about 150 yards out... Which is not really all that far...
You could be right captfb I would go with that angle on "terrorism" faster then a forigen group... I still think it is just two sick SOB's that are getting their kicks out of shooting people... Henry Lee Lucas and Otts Toole worked together for 10 years or more killing all across the south... So it is not unheard of for serial killers to work in pairs... Hopefully the police will catch these guys soon and we will know a bit more about what got them started...Quote:
It strikes me as strange though that this killer could be operating with an assistant. Most serial killers operate alone. So if the killer is part of a group it is possible that he is part of a home grown plot ie Tim McVeigh.
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Yet, has it been confirmed that the shots were taken from the ground level, not from the top of a building? That could be instantly seen of the bullet hole and its angle/location. Would make more sense to me, roofs are usually quite empty and undisturbed places...
Zero.. just looking at it from TV it is obviously from ground level. The bullets seem tolook like they enter from a straight line, and also it doesnt seem like there would be anywhere to shoot from unless a close by tree, but they would obviously be caught if they were in a tree because people would see him running away.
The van or truck idea is best.. it would be awkward as hell to shoot from a vehicle, unless a truck with the tailgat down, but still awkward. And the thing they did was drive away with the evidence. Unlike some who would shoot, leave the empty casing and reveal their location these people keep everything with them.
I also beleive someone ruled out terrorism cause they would kill 6, 000 people rather then 6, well if your leader, Osama, tells you "Hey go around killing people in a vehicle using a sniper rifle and take my son with you to do the job and you will become closer to Allah" you will damn well do it, or he will kill you and send someone else, without ever ebcoming close to Allah....
Just my opinions, but some people like opinions..
Enjoy
:3pow: what the hell is gonna happen to this guy (or guys) when they catch him if they catch him.
I would guess that if and that is a big IF they survive the actual arrest I am thinking that being straped to bed and having a neddle put in the arm is about all they can expect...
150 Yards == 450 feet == 1 1/2 football fields.... You wanna try to kill someone with a rifle with no scopr from 450 feet?
And @ kosta
He wont get caught... hes smart....
When he does get caught, (and in my opinion its not a matter of if but when) he will probably get the death penelty. Hitmens right, a lethal injection is the most common these days here in the U.S. and it's most probable...
Regards,
Silentstalker
I have to admit, he is pretty impressive, having never missed yet he didnt kill all his targets and he still hasn't been caught. I'm not in favor of him but I can't say he isnt talented.
150 yds isn't that far. I live in the West and most of the shots are that range and farther. I still hunt with open sights, although I'm finally admitting to myself that I need glasses now. That front sight won't focus clearly any more.
Still, at least here, 100 to 150 yds are scratch shots. Then again, the East is different and most hunting shots are closer I suspect.
i think i needle in the arm is stupid look at all the damage hes doing to the ppl and there famlys and friends i think if they catch him he should die a brutal death on the other hand i have many friends who are praising this guy for his talant
about the different weapons thing:
has anybody else thought that the driver/shooter may switch postions some times and that is why they are seeing some with a different weapon?
it would be only logical for whoever was shooting to use a gun they were used to, so if the driver took a few shots he would use whatever he NORMALLY used.
about the terrorist theory:
certianly not Al Queda type...this doesnt fit with what they do really. they either blow stuff up or they gass something. also, they would NEVER leave comments claiming to be "God".
this guy(s) is getting off on the act of taking life itself and thats why he keeps picking (seemingly) random targets, unlike other serial killers who pick targets for clear reasons(sexual desires(bundy), physical atributes(son of sam), what they are doing(zodiac killer), ect.). he's probably got a superiority complex and thats why he flaunted with that card and message(i mean how more full of yourself can you get than saying "I am God"?).
when it comes down to it he's either gonna get killed by bad timing(not likey), caught because of arrogance(also rather unlikely), or he will get away with it(thats my guess).
I dont think hes getting off on the act of killing.... I think hes getting off on the fact that he thinks hes god... He controls who lives or dies, to tell you the truth I think he didnt kill those 2 or 3 people on purpose.... And he doesnt have superiority complex, hes taunting the FBI and the police... They wont catch him until he turns himself in or someone he knows does...
I'm interested to see what law enforcement thinks about this. I wouln't be the least bit suprsied if the killers were severely injured or even killed in the process of being apprehended. Its scary how widely the effects of this thing are being felt. I live in a very rural area of Virginia, and there are people even now who wont get gas at any of the stations in town, they go to a very small out of the way place. While its only precaution and common sense really, its sad to see that people have to change their everyday lives to fit around a scenario of fear because of some sickos joy-riding and poping off innocent peope.
I wonder if there is also a discussion about the law and permission for everybody to carry a weapon. Whenever such cases happen in Europe for example, sooner or later there comes the question of hardening the laws. I am totally aware that harder laws can never prevent such psychos from doing their things. But is there actually a discussion about that?
Actually newbie MD and DC have some of the most draconion gun laws in the US... In DC one can not have any type of firearm within the city limits... MD requires a state issued permit for all types of firearms, if I am not mistaken, and from what I have been told by friends who live there it takes nearly a year to get the permit... VA has concealed carry laws, which I do, that allow residents to carry handguns on their person... Violent crime in states that allow the carrying of weapons by residents is lower then in states that do not... Vermont is a very good example... VT does not require any type of permit to carry and their violent crime rate is the lowest in the country... VA's crime rate went down after the concealed carry law was passed...Quote:
wonder if there is also a discussion about the law and permission for everybody to carry a weapon. Whenever such cases happen in Europe for example, sooner or later there comes the question of hardening the laws. I am totally aware that harder laws can never prevent such psychos from doing their things. But is there actually a discussion about that?
I disagree with you tty0... You don't put a round through someones head unless you are trying to kill them... The body shots that were made were made because of the range involved... Whoever this a55hole is he kinda knows what he is doing... The head is a difficult target to hit at ranges in excess of 250 yards... The wood line he shot the kid from was 300 yards or more from the school from what was said on the news.... Same with the woman he shot at Michael's... The shot was from the far side of the parking lot... All the other shots were well within the 100 yard range... He does think he's God and that does give someone a superiority complex he shows his superiority every time he does "taunt" law enforcment... I think that qualifies as a complex...:DQuote:
I dont think hes getting off on the act of killing.... I think hes getting off on the fact that he thinks hes god... He controls who lives or dies, to tell you the truth I think he didnt kill those 2 or 3 people on purpose.... And he doesnt have superiority complex, hes taunting the FBI and the police... They wont catch him until he turns himself in or someone he knows does...
I have engaged man sized targets out to 400 meters with open sights and hit them... All it takes is practice... And if this guy is using an AR-15 or Mini-14 he could have a scope on the weapon... If he does then a 500 yard shot is not out of the question for him...Quote:
150 Yards == 450 feet == 1 1/2 football fields.... You wanna try to kill someone with a rifle with no scopr from 450 feet?
I agree with you on the timing thing... This last shot was taken with a State Trooper less than 50 yards away and even he didn't see anything... I do however disagree about the shooters arrogance getting him caught... Most of the nut jobs who do this crap get caught because of their arrogance... the cops can make a whole bunch of mistakes before they nail this guy... The shooter on the other hand can not afford to make even one... Eventually he will leave behind something that gives him away... he left more of a message then the "Dear Policeman: I am God." thing on the card but the cops haven't released it yet... I wouldn't be supprised if he hasn'tr left other notes as well... As long as he does that he will get caught and it will be because of his arrogance...Quote:
when it comes down to it he's either gonna get killed by bad timing(not likey), caught because of arrogance(also rather unlikely), or he will get away with it(thats my guess).
wait a minite what if somebody else starts killing ppl in maryland and the blame it on the sniper? that is the perfect crime there dont you think
kosta1234us > first off, perfect crimes do not exist, there is always a flaw in the plan somewhere. Second off, ballistics examinations would show that it was two different guns, granted there are already some ideas that the shooter/driver may each have a gun, the presence of a third set of ballistic markings would tip the police off to a copy-cat.
I know when people say that these acts aren't those of a terrorist, you mean an islamic one... and by that definition I agree, muslims didn't do this. But this person's actions are by definition terrorism. That having been said, I don't believe this guy is ex-military. If he had been, he'd have used a more powerful weapon and stayed farther away so as to reduce the risk of being spotted, and allow more time for a getaway, but according to his aim, he's definitely a hunter, probably deer. This explains the .223 ammo and the headshots, these don't frag as easily and in a deer's head, won't obstuct any recovery of meat (I mean, who wants to spit buckshot out of their venison soup?). he also doesn't always pick up his shell casings, military snipers ALWAYS do, they don't want to be tracked. (am i right, Chuck56?) I am not a trained detective or anything, these are just my opinions.
I think you're pretty close x acid. He isn't a terrorist in the Islamic sense, but he's practicing a form of terrorism in that he's disrupted a pretty sizeable area.
As far as using a more powerful weapon, there's no need at the ranges he's firing. A .223 is plenty, obviously. As far as I know, and the "rules" might have changed though I can't imagine why, I don't think military snipers will take the time to pick up their brass. In Vietnam Army snipers used an accurized M-14, and it spit the casings a couple of feet. I'd ask 4midget about picking up cases. I doubt the emtpy case is a priority in a combat sniping situation.
I don't think this guy is ex military. He's a pscho who is revelling in the attention he's getting. And, I think he likes to kill. It gives him a feeling of power, thus the "I am God" note.
There have been cases of two people doing serial killings. Typically in that situation the initator of the killings is the dominate of the two. The other does not have a high self worth and is easily persuaded to what the other wants. I have seen some Discover or TLC programs where that sort of situation has asrisen (Foresenic Files or some other title along those lines)Quote:
Originally posted here by tommyboy2034
What are the odds that two ppl could have the same sick opinion of sniping ppl. Usually crimes involving cars are easy to solve...since it would be kind of obvious if you heard a loud bang and saw a car pull away.
Any implications to this being terror related?
Cheers,
-D
Thanks Chuck56 ... Picking up your brass is a matter of time and mission... I would say that 99% of the time military snipers police (pick up) their brass... The M-14 that Chuck56 spoke of was used up through the mid 80's and beyond in some Spec-Ops units but the weapon of choice now is the M-40A1 Sniper Weapon System... It is an accurized Remington Model 700 with a 3x9x50 Range Finding scope... It fires the .308 (7.62) round and since it is a bolt action weapon keeping your brass is an easy proposition...Quote:
In Vietnam Army snipers used an accurized M-14, and it spit the casings a couple of feet. I'd ask 4midget about picking up cases. I doubt the emtpy case is a priority in a combat sniping situation.
You are partially correct x acid ... We were taught in sniper school (please remember that I went through about 20 years ago... to leve as small a "foot print" as possible to avoid detection... That meant everything from sleeping in the last place an enemy would look (snake and aligator infested swamps, the basement of the building they lived in, on the top of a mountian that they thought couldn't be climbed, etc) to carrying EVERYTHING we took in with us out (craping in baggies, packing out all trash, no fires, etc.)... When I went through the school the Army was still using the M-21 (the M-14 with a scope and accurized) it was a pain in the butt sometimes to get your brass without getting shot at... If you did your job right the enemy would be looking for you as far from where you were as possible so it made the job a tad easier :) I think the head shot thing is nothing more then this guy saying, "Look at how good I am!" The head shots alone make me think that this is not a military trained sniper... We were taught to shoot center mass and go for the "sweet spot" (the center of the just over the heart)... If this guy has formal training I would lean toward an ex-law enforcement type... they are taught to go for the head shot as a means of puting the perp down fast without them being able to pull off that last shot (scramble the brain and your finger can't pull the trigger on the hostage thing)...Quote:
This explains the .223 ammo and the headshots, these don't frag as easily and in a deer's head, won't obstuct any recovery of meat (I mean, who wants to spit buckshot out of their venison soup?). he also doesn't always pick up his shell casings, military snipers ALWAYS do, they don't want to be tracked.
The most famous pair I can think of is Henry Lee Lucas and Otts Toole... They were both killers in their own right... John Walsh thinks it was Otts Toole that killed his son Adam and Henry Lee Lucas cleared 200+ murders when they caught his butt... (I think it was called, "into the mind of a Serial Killer" on Discovery... Great channel)Quote:
There have been cases of two people doing serial killings. Typically in that situation the initator of the killings is the dominate of the two. The other does not have a high self worth and is easily persuaded to what the other wants. I have seen some Discover or TLC programs where that sort of situation has asrisen (Foresenic Files or some other title along those lines)
IMO these guys will be caught but not before they get off at least ten more shots... they are getting bigger balls with each shot they make... The last guy was killed with a State Trooper not 50 feet from where the victim was... He said he heard the shot but couldn't tell where it came from or if thee was a vehicle or not... That take big brass ones IMO... When I went out and did my thing in Central America for God and Country I would wait for days to make sure the target had the fewest people around as possible... I wanted to get home and see teh wife and kids... :p These nut bags don't give a wide rats a55 who hears them or sees them... As long as they can get away... I would venture a guess that they are in a differant vehicle now that the police shut down I-95 and searched every White Van that went down the road... I know I would get into something else for the next shot... But then again I wouldn't be out shooting people just for the sake of shooting people...
The fact that the killing is from about 150-300 yards it doesnt sound like a "SNIPER" at all. I mean I know a kid in my school that can hit rabbits from 300 yards with a air rifle. Plus if it was a "SNIPER" whay such a small round I mean they are known to use rounds that are a lot bigger, so i think that it is another "MEDIA STERIOTYPE".
By definition a sniper is someone who will take a single well placed shot over multiple shots at a target... And that seems to be what these guys are doing... Range has little to do with it... I am not doubting you with the air rifle thing but are you sure it is that far? I can say I have seen people hit targets at 650+ yards with a .357 Colt Python... So I know that extreme long range for a weapon not exatly designed for that range can be done but that seems a bit on the far side to me... Then again I am not a big air gun fan... And I agree with 110% that the media are giveing snipers a bad name by calling this whack job a sniper but until they get a better name I guess that one gets to stick...Quote:
The fact that the killing is from about 150-300 yards it doesnt sound like a "SNIPER" at all. I mean I know a kid in my school that can hit rabbits from 300 yards with a air rifle. Plus if it was a "SNIPER" whay such a small round I mean they are known to use rounds that are a lot bigger, so i think that it is another "MEDIA STERIOTYPE".
A sniper is not defined by the round they fire or the weapon by which they fire it nor from the distance they fire from. A sniper is defined either by there training or the action they carry out or indeed by there mind set.
So i dont think it is media stereotyping, they are merely using the term "sniper" to define the act or because they believe the sniper to be trained in the art etc.
the term sniper just means someone who snipes or fires from concealment !
Either way it is tragic whatever they are !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hrm, The rifle he uses must be of pretty small caliber (.22?) So you have to be a good ****, Its like hitting the head of a pin from 20 feet away with a marble...
He's using a .223 (5.56mm) round fired from either an AR-15 type rifle or a Ruger Mini-14... The same round used by the military in the M-16 series of weapons.... Depending on bullet weight and powder charge you are looking at a maximum effective range (the maximum range the bullet will kill or incapacitate a person of around 550meters) If he is using an accurized AR-15 (doubtful but not totally out of the question) with a great deal of practice and knowing the weapon very well he could put a round through a fleas a55 at 350+ meters with a good scpoe... I have watched 1000 yard National Matches where guys consistantly shoot bulls eyes at 1000 yards with open sights... And we're talking shot groups that can be covered by a quarter and on bad days by a fifty cent peice...Quote:
Hrm, The rifle he uses must be of pretty small caliber (.22?) So you have to be a good ****, Its like hitting the head of a pin from 20 feet away with a marble...
I agree about the long range matches. I participated in a long range black powder match, 1000 yds with Sharps or Remington "buffalo" guns. Now, you're talking about something with the trajectory of a mortar at that range. I say participated. That's about all it amounted to. I think I came close enough to the target a couple of times that, if it had been alive, it might have wondered what that 'thunk' was in the distance. I used my replica Shiloh Sharps, .45.90 cal.
With modern rifles, it's another ball game entirely, but still out of my league these days. I limit myself to targets that don't look like the period at the end of a sentence.
I suspect the shooter's are in a different vehicle now, too. I also think, since they were seen, you'll discover them being a lot more careful in the future, if they aren't caught. They're having fun and they don't want it to end just yet. I'm glad I'm 2000 miles away.
Exactly, Thats hwy I think hes ex-military or just some redneck who really knows how to shoot... (How do we even know that its a he)
lol, "Center mass, or headshots?"
A sniper is a sniper whether he goes for an instant kill or not, and yes, most of them were headshots. A nice placement at the base of the neck, or left chest, would result in death too. A sniper might be a real ass and shoot the crotches off of innocent men... he's still a sniper
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Sorry to disappoint you man but a real sniper would never shoot an "innocent man" and he sure as hell wouldn't shoot him in the crotch... Not even if the sniper thought he really deserved it... Snipers as a whole are professionals in every sense of the word and some of the most reliable and stable types on the face of the planet...Quote:
A sniper might be a real ass and shoot the crotches off of innocent men... he's still a sniper
i always wanted to be a sniper yet i see this crazy guy shooting little kids going to school im not saying it stoped my dream but giving people this talant (if hes x-mil) is crazy i dont think there ever gonna catch this guy or woman i bet you hes gonna stop after he screws up once
Let’s just blame it on the Taliban like everything else. It’s the American thing to do.Quote:
Originally posted here by Tedob1
cool! i was wondering if you thought it was a taliban shooter, hence the term.
could be a lot of thnigs. like x-mil or swat whose concience ate his mind out.
these been a few cases of mil personal comming back from afgan. and shooting people. 4 murdered their wives. thier were many cases like this after viet nam.
if he shot me, id have to hunt him down.
Syini666 the term sniper applies here. hes been dropping them with 1 shot each from a distance, i think they were all heart shots.
Blame every thing on the enemy. :o
Bah! I say we blame it on the fat Swedish pre-adolescent children who wobble about like penguins, full of chocolate! >:( they always looked a bit suspicious to me....
Well, I'm not blaming anybody or anything. The killer's lawyers will do plenty of blaming, if he's taken alive. I think I mentioned my theory. Daddy made him mow the lawn for an allowance when he was young, and that's what set him off on this killing spree.
You forgot that his Mommy wouldn't let him smoke dope in the house, Grand Ma and Grand Pa wouldn't buy him the GI Joe with the Kung-Fu Grip and Life-Like hair for his birthday, the best looking girl in school wouldn't go out with him, he ate too much junk food, people called him names when he was in school, and his teachers didn't give him straight A's Cuhck56... :DQuote:
Daddy made him mow the lawn for an allowance when he was young, and that's what set him off on this killing spree.
Hrm, I have more respect for this guy than disgust... I dont think hes shoting people at random, I think its all premeditated and hes a good shot =]
tty0 > I don't see how you can respect someone who takes another persons life in that fashion? A person who kills another for no reason other than pleasure doesn't respect other people, or the value of life, and therefore doesn't deserve any respect themselves.
Just a question tty0... Does that mean you respect the guys who flew planes into the WTC and Pentagon also? I mean they didn't pick random planes or tagets and they were good enough to hit their intended targets... Sorry man but this guy or guys dreserves nothing more then our utter contempt... He is a cowardly murderer and nothing more... And where I come from cowards deserve nor get any kind of respect...Quote:
Hrm, I have more respect for this guy than disgust... I dont think hes shoting people at random, I think its all premeditated and hes a good shot =]
I also feel that this guy isn't really a "sniper" because if he hits a women in the back while she's leaning over, it's not much of a shot. It seems he's just shooting people at random, but maybe not as kill shots.
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*I just want you to know that by saying "he" I am not suggesting the sniper's gender to be male.