Where are we trying to advance the arguement to tigger?
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Where are we trying to advance the arguement to tigger?
I would like to advance to the Iraq - Iran contra-affair..Quote:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair
http://lampresource.tripod.com/readlamp/10_02.htm
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/I/Irancont.asp
http://nsarchive.chadwyck.com/icintro.htm
http://search2.eb.com/elections/micro/294/11.html
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/vanunu.html
source: google
so much for land of the free.....
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Tedob1:
that’s not the way we see it bimmer.
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we = ?? ( west, christians, non-muslims, non-arabs or USA who did collect all muslims )
i respect ur prospective, but the generated action from the west is horrably bad.
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Tedob1:
it's beginning to look like islam against the rest of the world.
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why don't u get it a vis versa, Tedob1 i don't wanna start a war down here at AO, coz' if i proseeded with my postings , it will be converted to a muslim Vs. non-muslimes discussion.
and some may call it CRUSADE war or holy war agains Islam, as Salladin long time ago !!
well as for me , i still believe it'a a war on ISLAM, if u read ur posted link ( report by :Jill Serjeant ) u'll find that it says:
" Hundreds of Muslim immigrants rounded up in US"
and if u look to the ME region , country by country, u'll find that everybody is fighting us.
Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon and others, only Islamic countries.
read this as well:
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The diagnosis for America 2002: schizophrenia
We insist in the belief that all races, creeds, ethnic groups and nationalities are basically good, endowed with equal ability to contribute to the American mosaic, and yet at the same time we fear immigration as never before. We don't really understand Islam, even though many of us have converted to it in recent years, drawn by the revolutionary message of Malcolm X, which is not that different from the revolutionary message of mullahs in Nigeria.
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Your absolutly right bimmer! Both sides only hear what 'others' want us to hear. We go threw life being told by wiser people, believe none of what you hear and half of what you see, yet here we are....
this convo has been up and down the block and hit a lot of very touchy subjects on all sides. Tedob1, due to the fact I went home for X-mas (which I would like to wish happy holidays to all) and I am on dial up now :( I cant seem to find any articles which say what nationality these races are... Alas I looked and couldnt find. I was wondering if anyone else was able to find out if these arrests were more than just muslims. I would like to know if the journalist was guilty of yellow journalism or not.
cheers and I hope we can keep this discussion on track and not attempt to solve the worlds discrimination on a thread because it wont happen, it takes time understanding and perhaps a miracle.
I am an American who has lived outside of the US in several European countries for over 30 years. I have encountered the same intolerances, created by fear, just about everywhere I've been. People fleeing South Africa, Turkey, Croatia, India, Sri Lanka etc and it is not just to the United States. It is to the entire - what we call Western world - and wanting just to get jobs and support there familes. Many of the ïmmigrants are "economic refugees" their lives are not really in danger, they just can't get jobs at home. Then too there is the "brain drain" wealthy nations encourging the best brains to leave home and come work in the West.
I believe in the ideals of the USA, freedom of religion etc. but I also do not object to being properly registered, even finger printed in the country in which I reside. I live by the laws in the country in which I reside. It requires registration for all alien residents basta! you do it or you go back where you came from.
Intolerance always rises out of fear. Fight your fears not your neighbors!
No country in this world is free to point the finger and judge another. Let the country that has no misdeeds rise and be accounted for! Are you there??????????? No, because you do not exist.
I openly admit to many of the US's ignorant and oppressive policies. Iran Contra, drug war, slavery, whatever people care to dig up. If one looks back in history you will clearly see that we are not even at the cusp of the infancy of our countries history. We are and continue to be the largest mixture of cultures and religions to experiment with the rule of people in the history of the world. We are trying to make it work in an increasingly hostile and cold world.
If someone attacks your home and your family what do you do? Do you leave you door open to more attacks? No, self-defense is an intrinsic human quality that is not bound to our world of ideals! If you neighbor is attacked, do you begrieve him his defense? No! Do you go to him when he seeks your counsel and say well remember when you didn’t send a Christmas card to Mr. Jones or remember when last summer at the block party you hit on Mrs. Smith while in the midst of a drunken haze? No. If the world has anything constructive to say and wants to help then do so. If all you can do is criticize then continue to do so. Because to me it sounds like so much tinny canned laughter on a TV sitcom. MHO!
Spyrus, the people are from 5 different 'suspect' countries. So if this is a nation wide plan why are there only reports from calif? makes me think maybe this has more to do with the way immigration policies are handled in calif!?!
coz' it says ( were in southern California jails on Wednesday after coming forward to comply with a new rule to register with immigration authorities )
so it seems that it's happening only in Cali. .. think so !
i was concerned because ot the plans by some members of congress a few months back, to set up concentration camps (detention centers) around the country. fortunatly it was squashed but some of these guys can really be persistant.
if its just a locar fubar its much easier to deal with.
Here's something Celfie asked me to post:
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I think that it is time for you followers to the right to really look hard
at what the united states is pushing for. This whole notion of security and
wars on terrorism are MASKS for the real agenda, globalization. As more and
more multinationals are subsidized by the rich and powerful nations
belonging to the G8, the business and industry located on a much smaller and
domestic level within poorer nations are experiencing increased competition
thanks to the removal of trade regulations, mass production and of course
government subsidized multinationals. These factors kill the livelihoods of
local farmers, tradesmen, etc. In the cases where the local governments try
to fight back, the multinationals can take the country to the world trade
organization and have the country sanctioned for protectionistic trade
practises. This leaves the workers in a horrible position where they cannot
possibly compete with the multinationals so they are forced to work for
them. In many, if not most cases, they are exploited, paid very little, are
forced to work long labourous hours. In many cases, corporal punishment has
been reported. Trade laws now permit for multinationals to sue governments
for having public works and they demand under threat of penalty for the
privatization of public works systems such as water and electricity. This
leads to increased cost for already poor people and access to water becomes
EXTREMELY limited. Now we wonder why there is so much crime and unrest in
poor nations.
So getting to my point. You have people, in poor nations, that are full of
violence, dictators (who in many case were put into power thanks to the US
government), lack of water, food and shelter, lack of work and
exploitation - what do you? the right wing suggest to them? Stage a military
coup so that the Americans can sit back and pretend like they aren't all
being slaughtered by the rich elite's stormtroopers and then sanction them
for removing their oppressive American puppet government? No. They go to the
place that propaganda has instilled into them that they will be safe, and
free to persue a life of their choice. They go to the USA. But instead of
welcoming them as members of society, they are alienated, descriminated,
called ILLEGAL. But what do you expect from a nation that instead of
building homes for people that die on the streets and instead of giving food
to dying children, they give billions of dollars for corporations to tear
down wilderness and build factories so that we can consume even more garbage
that we do not need. Yet any immigrant with money is welcomed with open
arms, especially if they own a large corporation. The only reason why we
have borders and immigration laws is so that we can make sure that there are
enough people left over to exploit. I promise you that no immigrant is
getting faster health care than anyone with more money. And who the hell are
you to decide who deserves health care and who deserves to die. Screw your
money=life comes first.
I think the business and industry of smaller and porrer nationsQuote:
the business and industry located on a much smaller and
domestic level within poorer nations are experiencing increased competition
thanks to the removal of trade regulations, mass production and of course
government subsidized multinationals. These factors kill the livelihoods of
local farmers, tradesmen, etc.
are more competitive than the older protected industries
of the USA and Europe. Why else would American industrialists
and factory workers be among the most vocally opposed
to globalization? It is because their formerly priveleged and
protected position in the market is now challenged.
In fact, globalization is a net transfer of wealth from
the rich nations to the poor ones, because workers in rich
nations like the USA have enjoyed unnaturally high wages
since World War II, when the USA was the only
nation whose industries survived the war, and the only
one that profited from the war.
Just as the Marshall plan transferred some of that excess
wealth back to Europe after the war, global trade is draining
excess wealth from lazy rich Americans and enabling people
in third world nations to raise their standard of living.
Protectionism protects lazy and incompetent industries
by giving them a captive market. Just look at the line up
of people who are for and against free trade and you will
see.
:cool:
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In fact, globalization is a net transfer of wealth from
the rich nations to the poor ones....
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Not exactly, only the so-called 'wealth' of the working people is being transferred while the extremely wealthy get extremely wealthier. A redistribution of this nature will make everyone in the world who is not rich, extremely poor. We'll be back to royalty vs. peasants. A separation of the classes, that’s not been seen since feudal times. But what can you expect from a plan promoted and run by a bank. If this ever happened there would be no AO, because none of us could afford such luxuries as personal computers. And because none of us can this makes it good? But of course we’ll have the public ones the government provides.
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An Interview with Noam Chomsky by Husayn Al-Kurdi
http://www.dis.org/daver/anarchism/chomsky2.html
HAK: It seems that "globalization" and "internationalism" in all their varieties are detrimental to the health and true progress of the vast majority of the world's people.
NC: Yes, because of who is running it. This is class war on an, international scale, and power is in the hands of those who control the international economic system. This framework does require extensive state power to protect the rich. The Saudi, Arabian ruling class, for example, have rights because they are performing a service for Western power, ensuring that oil profits go to the West and not to the regional population. The local gendarmes like Israel, Turkey and so on have rights, at least in their ruling groups. Others do not.
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these guys want to do away with private property...our's not their's
Well, this sure is a very touchy subject... Well, i wanna voice my opinion on some of this, first, racism, thats just total and complete bull thinking that just because everyone's skin isnt the same color that everyone of a different color is wrong, thats bull, im tired of racism, people complaining about other races of people, to damn bad, why dont we make people blue, now that would be entertaining!! (and i dont mean frozen, i mean huge ass smurfs runin around kickin the hell outta racists) im not saying its completly wrong to hate people, im saying, before you do that at least have some thought involved and dont make it everyone thats different from you, if everyone was the same youd be bored and you know it, and since this is a touchy subject if i say something that offends you, im sorry in advance... unless its nebuluswonderer,if i offend you, iv reached at least one goal, honestly man what posseses you to be irritating? everyone else contributed to this except you, i think i lost IQ points reading your post, God I hope i dont sink down to your level, to me it seemed like no one should be upset over anything, why not hop onto a huge assholapolt (moded catapolt) and we can smack you into something at 400 miles an hour and see if you dont get a "wee bit mad" man.
"Who is going to police the world? If there is nobody to watch over everybody, what does the world become?"
free? and not getting arrested over silly drug laws?
"How would I be treated in one of these Middle Eastern countries"
considering how you act just on here id say there youd be shot.
ugh, i gotta act childish for a minute here,
"The only thing that comes out of your country is alot of porn featuring beastiality"
so quit going to his country you moron.
"Get a life buddy.... Anybody that post their picture in this site has too much time on their hands. Strap on some wood shoes ladies cuz here I ***............ Whoa!!!!"
ok, this time im not trying to be mean, but honestly, couldnt your Mom find a coat hangor? anyone that has the 34 seconds it takes to post a picture has to much time? wow you must be a busy busy moron if you dont have even 34 seconds. and here you "***"? didnt think you were capable of that without any farm animals around, my mistake.
*reads other posts by our lil poet friend here*
Dear Lord!! you act like that in every post!!!!!!!!!! its an epidemic! man, i hope you only act like this online for your sake, somethin tells me your that guy at the party that after getting an answer to a question, you tell the people that were trying to help you but didnt understand it exactly "what you couldnt figure it out?"
"In system information for Windows it shows who the computer is registered to. I want to know how to change that.
I know I'm supposed to run regedit, but I do not know which folder contains the regestration
name.
Helpful suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks...."
and to someone who SUGGESTED you phrase it better, you say "it was a pretty onviouse question" its also pretty obviouse you seem to go out of your way to be not only unhelpful, but a waste of space, man even a blade of grass has a point in life without getting on people's nerves, seriously now,why do you act like that? youd think youd at least contribute something to the community that would be helpful to someone other than yourself, so far racism and stupidity are all i can get outta you, now that i feel better, back to the touchy subject.
I know people treat people from the middle east shitty in this country, even before september they werent exactly wining citizen of the month... around here anyway, now its like worse, people take things wrongly or hear something wrong and then act like everyone from the middle east is gunna repeat what happened, man thats a buncha ****, they have a horrid stereotype of having 34 lettered names no one can pronounce and that they all work at the quickee mart or something. ok im done for now.
hmmm , nothing much to say ... but allot to watch !!
http://www.dubyadubyadubya.com/