Hacking the Matrix

FLAME ON

Oh Sectac you are so close to Matrix Heresy. My jaw dropped, my eyes glazed over, and I had to count to 100 when I read your post. How dare you call that hottie a script kiddie. It just ticks me off when immature losers like you post these one line critiques like we care what you think. Do you really think it makes you look better to be dragging others down to your moronic level by calling them names - Jerkboy. Do you really think that commenting on people's lives that you don't even know somehow increases your stature? How pathetic you must be, I'm glad we've never met. I can't believe you would worry so much about a character in a movie that you would feel it necessary to denegrate her. If you say one more demeaning thing about Trinity I will rip your heart out.

FLAME OFF

Just kidding. Figured you would get flamed anyway for challenging the religion of the matrix so I thought I would have fun doing it first. However, It was made very clear in the first movie that she was a true hacker and had gained fame in her own right. Just because she used a script tool this time as a short cut is not concrete evidence that she is a script kiddie. Script kiddies are those who use tools and think they are Uber. Not those who are Uber and happen to use scripts occasionally.

Hope this clarifies my thoughts on the situation. Oh, and if you took the original flame personally I apologize but if you read it carefully I believe you will see I am spoofing my own flame by doing exactly what I am criticizing.

hey Everyone,
Well, just to clear some stuph up... Here is what I belive happend in the end of the Matrix Reloaded... First, neo could kill the sentiels because he blieved that he was still inside the Matrix...Which is true...Cuz that architect dude says that the oracle found a way to keep the minds of humans accepting the program... The way she found was to let them think that they were free... By taking them away from the other part of the Matrix and making them only able to "hack" into it... See, so it isn't a "sub-Matrix" that they are in... It is the same matrix that they were in before... Just with new wallpaper and better physics ;) hehehe!!!
Also, the guy on the table beside neo in the end of the Martix reloaded is named, Bain.... hes that guy who got caught by the former agent "smith" when he tried to exit from the Matrix... Now, in my opinion, he is possesed by agent smith... Sux huh?

Anywayz, I hope that ya luved the movie as much as I did! Cuz it was great! Not only that... but the movie stayed true, and actually used a real networking tool! Instead of taking the easy way out and using a GUI.. Like in another movie.. not mentioning any names....(Cuz there are many....Hackers,Wargames,masterminds,ect...)

So, the next movie many finally answer the question.... WHAT IS THE MATRIX???
(I'm not sure I really wanna know)

I wanna play in the latin game too! figure this out:)

Formulae ueteres exorsismorum et excommunicationum,
Strigas et fictos lupos credere,
Daemon pellem lupinam In trunco quodam cauae Arboris occultandum Halloween, Metamorphoses lycanthropie Possunt inquam Metamorphoses lycanthropie Possunt inquam.

I agree with melencholy about the negs because some 1 once negged me on a post that was not contraversial in any wayand didn't leve an explanation at all! The point of negs are to punish people for making incorrect or stupid posts. How can you learn from youre mistakes if you don't know what you did?

Wow thanks a lot Turmoil for a better understanding of the movie I think I was just looking for the action and messed everything :( Im ashamed of myself.

Hummmm, OoO well Cya

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Originally posted here by phishphreek80
As soon as I saw that scene... a big smile came across my face.

I then looked around quickly... and nobody seemed to know what Trinity was doing. It took me 10min to explain to my GF

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you have a gf... wow..

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Originally posted here by er0k


you have a gf... wow..

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So, you assume that geeks are losers forever destined to be lonely and overworked? I resent that. I'm about as outspoken as someone can be with my geekiness, yet I have a girlfriend... Yes, I do, believe it or not.

In closing, geeks are not losers. Geeks are a superior breed of humans. Want proof?

I hate people. I'm glad I'm not a people. I'm a geek. :)

--PhirePhreak

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Originally posted here by PhirePhreak


So, you assume that geeks are losers forever destined to be lonely and overworked? I resent that. I'm about as outspoken as someone can be with my geekiness, yet I have a girlfriend... Yes, I do, believe it or not.

In closing, geeks are not losers. Geeks are a superior breed of humans. Want proof?

I hate people. I'm glad I'm not a people. I'm a geek. :)

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As a geek I'd say that was a pretty good description. I really don't get lonely, I can pretty much entertain myself for days (and I'm married). I do however get overworked, thats just because I don't want to get labeled as a loser by the other geeks I work with who put in 60 hours a week regularly. Geeks are not a superior breed of humans, we just make 3-4 times more a year than everyone else :)

as far as the time discussion goes, in the matrix, it's supposed to be close to 1999, plus maybe 6 mo's or so. On the other hand, they were driving model year 2003 cadillacs (an escalade pickup and a [[sts?]])

regardless, time was never defined in the second movie, and i can't remember whether or not morpheuis that that they had freed more in 6 mo's since neo, or just in the last 6 mo's

SickyouIT: Good point about the vehicles, this would rate as a movie faux pas IMO. Not a big deal but a fun bit of trivia to look for next time I watch it (of course I also read the nitpickers guide to Star Trek but am still a Trekkie so that should show my viewpoint on the issue).

However it is Turmoil who has really "baked my noodle". I realize I will have to watch the movie again soon as there are obviously many nuances that I missed. Just to clarify what you said (or what I read into what you typed) you think that when Neo (and the others) were "freed" from the Matrix they were actually just moved into another "Matrix" but their bodies are still really intact and under the machine's control. So the machines built a control loop to allow the most dangerous elements a chance to escape into a different reality where their aggressive tendencies could be rechanneled into an artificial war.

This would tack onto the final control loop that allowed for the development of "the One" and the whole attack on Zion. If I take this to an obvious conclusion then it would mean that everyone living "free" in Zion was actually still tapped into the Matrix just on the (for lack of a better term) second server running the alternate program.

So far I am finding it hard to bring any arguments against this theory if it is correct.

Although it would mean that either A) the machines won the war entirely the first time and there is no human enclave, or B) there may be a war still going on outside of the Matrices that we have not seen yet. <sarcasm> Maybe they can tie it into the Terminator Series for a great cross marketing action toy line</sarcasm>

It will be interesting to see how the series does wind up, I just hope it follows the same production values and excellent plot development we have seen so far.

P.S.

One happily married Geek here with 2 married kids. My only warning to you up and coming Geeks looking for a relationship, marry a geek or better yet marry someone who has a lot of interests of their own. My wife and I can be happy spending the day together or happy doing our own things. She allows me my computer time she gets her time to pursue her hobbies, activities, etc. We are free but bound together at the same time. I must admit though that I got married at 28 and had no girl friends before that and very few dates. Just waited until I found Mrs. Right and snatched her up quick :D From loser to the envy of all my friends :cool:

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Originally posted here by SodaMoca5
Although it would mean that either A) the machines won the war entirely the first time and there is no human enclave, or B) there may be a war still going on outside of the Matrices that we have not seen yet. <sarcasm> Maybe they can tie it into the Terminator Series for a great cross marketing action toy line</sarcasm>

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What a scary thought... But I have always thought that the humans vs. machines aspect of The Matrix was a bit similar to the Terminator series...

Anyhow, it's gonna be a great six months waited for Revolutions to come out.

--PhirePhreak

What do you think about Hackers 2: Takedown? Not so realistic as the Matrix: Reload but not so "unrealistic" as the Hackers or Code: Swordfish(it was totally ridiculous).

i just whatched Hacker 2 yesterday (didnt get a chance earlier )... i think the movie is great because it's based on a true story and i read the book too " Cyberpunks" it talk about Kevin , Susan , the movie tells how the life of a hacker/Cracker is ...how to get in Jail and how it effects your life if you dont know for what to use your knowledge ...bad or good...it also show how people can be manipulated and are THE WEAKEST LINK IN A COMPANY....and that theres is no privacy on the internet or the phone ...

there seems to be alot going on in here about what happened and why and the general premise of the film etc.

the Animatrix (4 of which were from the pen of the wachowski bros) of which there are nine fill in alot of the gaps and provide alot momre information on the genesis of the whole thing.

they can be downloaded off the net and will be released next wekk i believe !

As for the film i think the whole lot comes down to a moral tale.

Causality (cause and effect) etc and alot i think is based on cognito ergo sum from descartes.

reality is only our perception of the world in which we live based on the effeects it has upon us ! what is real. do we live i the matirx or in zion ? does an architect control us if so then who created him and in which world does he reside and with whom ?

We think therefore we are so that is how it is, matrix or zion it is irrelevant !

live well and love life peeps

How did neo bring Trinity back to life??? I didnt think u could do that. I thought once u were dead in the matrix u were as dead as real life. I know that Neo is "The One" but i didnt think he was god. Anyone know how or why this happend??? I've been thinkin that maybe just cuz he choosed the door that he and trinity could be together forever instead of the door to save Zion...but still...he brought her back to life...kinda seems unreal in the Matrix.

The matrix is all code. It wasn't her physical body that he was dealing with but the code representation of it. Because he is "the one" he can modify that code. So he reached inside her code and pulled out the bullet code. Then closed up where the code was ripped by the bullet and basically rebooted her. Because her physical body hadn't been dead that long on the ship, it was basically like giving her an electrical shock to restart her heart.

hmm...that seems kinda far fetched but alright. But still...she was dead in her real physical body. who knows.

there's a hacker 2??? i only knew of the original hacker movie with angelina jolie...and she was the higlight of the movie for me. Whats this whole hacker 2 movie about? like who's all in it and when did it come out? I'm sure its better than the first one right??

yes it is ...can be download from whatever p2p program you have .. it's based on the story of Kevin Mitnick ....

Look at this funny photo. I search and found it to forgive my for sth i've done (some of you know what i mean) it's a bit big but it's fun. I'm sorry again.
http://www.mazanet.gr/gallery/vimage...ark60_1024.jpg

deftones> hackers 2 is bassed on the book Takedown by Tsunomi Shimaro (or however you spell his name). The movie was sooo bad that they never released it in the USA. If that gives you any idea about the quality of the movie. They were supposed to and got such negative feedback about it that they never did.

so its not really worth downloading??? who stars in it?

souleman i have seen the film. (out of topic- the timetable of TV had this film on the category of "Tech Thrillers") It doesn't want to surprise but show the facts as they were. Or the producers could have used many ways to make people liked it such as adults material, big names, 3D hacking environment and many more.

Your welcome dOOdz! I'm glad I could "broadin UR horizon" :)

What?

Wake up ! The Matrix has you.

Deftones
KM is being played by Skeet Ulrich in operation takedown (or hackers 2).
If you have some time on your hands it is a nice watch. There was alot of controversy about it on the net and it is not a blockbuster like the Matrix is.
Actually the controversy allready started when the book was originally released.

ii-monk> My points wasn't that it was so bad that it didn't get released in america. It didn't get released because it was VERY single sided. The entire thing was bassed off the movie takedown which was very much sided to make KM look evil and TS to look like a god. Now the book by Litman (can't remember the name) is the exact opposite) making KM look like a scapegoat and TS to look like an ass, which isn't right either. But the movie is far from the truth either way.

I watched the "animatrix" over the weekend. It was pretty cool. It will def. answer a lot of the questions that people have been talking about. Kind of like... go back and fill you in on all the stuff they skipped over.

Anywho... I think it is officially released tuesday 6/3/03 so check it out.

It is online already (for bout a week or so now)... so if you know where to look... it is out there. ;)

Enjoy!

PS: I didn't want to talk too much about it cause I hate ruining surprises... but the die hard matrix fans will love it. Even my pop loved it! Sorry if anyone else mentioned it... if so, I must have missed that.

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.co...site=quicktime

I think the one I have is bout 1hr and 41min or so...

I was gonna dl animatrix but couldn't find a good copy. Last check was something like 140+ hours. Not worth the wait. Especially since I can go spend $10 and buy it today :)

What's the story of animatrix?

I saw the Matrix movies in reverse order. Talk about confusing....:) I'm so lame - I saw Reloaded one afternoon then went out and got the original on DVD because I never saw it. Not very Uber, huh? LOL!

Yeah phish, what is animatrix? I've never heard of it.

thehorse13 check this out


http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.co...site=quicktime

grtz kadeng

thehorse13, animatrix is the anime that prequels the matrix films ! they are really coolif you are into anime and also the matrix. A bit hard to figure out in places but then so is the matrix. Fills in some gaps into the story such as the waking up of the Kid (from reloaded) and some history into the rise of the machines etc and how they come about.

i personally loved all 9 of them and the 2 films and cant wait for revolutions but not everyone feels the same. you can buy the animatrix along with the soundtrack to matrix reloaded in a bundle or of course you can also download the lot but i never said that !

enjoy, live well and love life

Check out Matrix XP, it's by far the best Matrix fan movie I have seen. :D

zero: That's too phunny! LoL

It seems that a lot of the links don't work... so if that is the case...

Use this one http://giga.de/specials2/matrixxp/

Man now i really wish i hadnt bought that bladder buster cherry coke. I had to get up and go to the bathroom right after neo got in to see the archetech. got back right before he went through the door. Well I guess ill just have to watch it again

I thought all the animatrix movies weregoing to be out. I followed the link u guys gave and it only has the first part called "the second renisance"

so u want to dance too
i m dancing

well even i'd be ahppy to c my port scanner seing used in a multi million dollar film ,but i'd feel nice if the producer or the director had informaed me earlier ,but hats off to Fyodor!!!
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proud to be a hindu!!!

I always loved how hollywood portrayed the computer underground...
Swordfish for example, that was a pretty interesting programming interface, frieken 7 screens, and a crapload of geometric matrices.
2 circles, plus 3 obtuse triangles, and 1 rectangle = worm that takes over swiss banks!

Thank god its not that easy :)

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I always loved how hollywood portrayed the computer underground...
Swordfish for example, that was a pretty interesting programming interface, frieken 7 screens, and a crapload of geometric matrices.
2 circles, plus 3 obtuse triangles, and 1 rectangle = worm that takes over swiss banks!

Thank god its not that easy

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LOL

Think about it though. If a hacker movies was made realistically, it'd be a guy doing stuff that most people could not understand for hours on end, then crashing for 3 hours, getting up and doing it again... then the feds bust in :p. Seriously, it would not sell at all. Would you pay to watch a movie about people typing giberish that you could not understand? As for Reloaded, I liked it. I thought it was not as good as the first one because of the courtyard scene. They switched the real Reves(sp) with a computer generated version of him constantly. The rest was cool.

PS: <Not a Hacker> Are all people who use scripts/programs that they did not make, script kiddies?