@Cider: A good place to check out is http://tille.garrels.be/training/. He has a book (online, and a pdf version) called intro to linux that's a non flavor specific 'get ur feet wet' type of guide.
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@Cider: A good place to check out is http://tille.garrels.be/training/. He has a book (online, and a pdf version) called intro to linux that's a non flavor specific 'get ur feet wet' type of guide.
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=258363
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=256949
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=258140
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=251791
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=266065
I made a bunch but there are some. Mandriva is pretty close to SUSE, just read through it and the difference with that and the others you'll be able to see and change as needed.
Thanks.
OK, I just finished updating this thread to be a little bit more this century so if you were a fan of this thread, feel free to look at it again. As usual, if you want to, you can add your own reviews.
After all these years SuSe is STILL King.Quote:
I don't want this to turn into a big SuSE ad, but it is my favorite distro. It comes with a lot, has a lot to offer, and is cheaper than Red Hat Linux.
I'd make an argument for Ubuntu. It's gaining popularity very quickly.
SUSE is indeed the best so far. I've used a lot of distros and haven't found even ONE that can compare. As for Ubuntu:
Well, it's no secret I don't really like it, and given the press it gets on it's own, I don't need to put it in here much. I mean a lot of people have replied saying how I should add it in here, so basically, I don't because it already has the replies.
In the first thread I said that if you wanted to add something to go ahead and reply, and Ubuntu has had a lot of replies here and there, so I don't need to bring it up. I just personally think that if you install Debian, you get the same thing except you don't need to screw around with the root account to make it normal again.
If you like Ubuntu though I'm not going to slam you or anything like that, it's personal choice, and I support THAT :)
I third SUSE
using openSUSE 11 with kde 4.1 along with gnome and icewm
by far better than ubuntu
the only distro that can compare i would say is mandriva, which is a very close second
Yast2 is a wonderful robust tool
btw, props to the kde dev team, 4.1 is beautiful and fast--not completely ready, but it will soon be
opensuse is the distro to use to explore kde 4 if you're curious
Well it should be ;) Novel, which owns SUSE, also have a whole team for KDE and GNOME too ;) I can't recall how many, but I know they have a crap load of their staff working on just KDE and another load of them working on GNOME. So of course it's going to look darn good on SUSE. I'm not even sure if many people know about that or not. It was slightly pointed out in an interview I read with one of their staff members who's full time job at Novell was basically KDE and nothing else.
this is really a good headstart!
Mr.gore it would be very kind of you if you can get me installation procedures for SuSE, Fedora please.
You probably should have messaged gore instead of posting on an old thread. (Last post was back in August). And ffs don't call him "Mr.", he's got a big enough head already. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rotoR*46
To answer your question though, it's easier than you might imagine. Google opensuse or suse, download the image, burn this to a disc, insert disc into your computer, reboot computer, follow instructions. Presto you have SuSE.
I've written an install tutorial for multiple version of SUSE in the tutorials forums. Fedora installs go very much the same as SUSE does in terms of what you do overall and how the screens look. So if you read one, you'll most likely have no troubles with the other. That was one of the reasons I didn't write for that as I'd really just be renaming it and moving two steps around.
EDIT:
Keezel, shut up ;)
My oversized hat, can't fit your gigantic head ;)
PS: Be Careful, My Wife just registered and might smack you =p
:D
Fedora 10...x86_64
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A step backwards in time. Too restrictive when attempting to do 'root' tasks. Sluggish like a Windows XP machine (jerky desktop with heavy disk access). Treats KDE like a step child. You have to be a mind reader if you want to add simple basic plugins for your web browser. To upgrade or recompile the kernel, you must follow their rpmbuild procedures and take 2-3 hours to compile. I rather clone a config file and be on my way. Good luck trying to install a 3d graphic driver. if you download a stock kernel from kernel.org......it screws that up with rpm scripts that corrupt the build. Slow...slow ... slow. Threw the cd in the microwave for this 1.
Biggest complaint..... installed VLC and Kaffeine using the smart packager. Kaffeine is able to grab HDTV broadcast and stream it but can not decode video because of a missing codec.. It does not have all the codecs any other distro would had threw in. It fails. Vlc complains about missing codecs. When I reconfigure to grab the stream from Kaffiene.... they both happy. So long to the smart packager with it's lame dependacies. junked it.
Cant trust this distro with handling codecs and lib files. These people are so scared, they took out DVDcss and other licensed crap that noone enforces anymore.
Mandriva 2009 x86_64
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livecd detected my raid setup. Upon reboot, the livecd didn't bother copying the config file over to the HDD. the config file was empty. The kernel panics and halts. Replacing the conf file is no good. The ram disk needs to know about HDD and mdadm before the Real OS loads. Can't trust this distro with my precious data.... junked it.
Should not take more than a hour to throw a basic image on a HDD.
PCLinuxos 32-bit
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still rules. You have to hack or unlock the repository to get this to 2009 standards. Worth it but I feel cheated running a power station on 32bit.
I got kicked off a mailing list once for calling the head of Mandrake Security an ass and saying he was better suited to garbage collecting. It was worth it because he seemed to take it personally and they finally fixed a few things I was mad about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linen0ise
Fedora is crap, and I've told one of their guys at RedHat about that over a SUSE mailing list he replied to talking about MP3 support and how "If we could we would drop that into Fedora tomorrow" and I said "How about dropping Fedora Altogether and going back to RedHat boxed versions for less than 100 dollars because Fedora is unstable crap" and he didn't say a word...
I've used enough distros now that I can Honstly say that when it comes to Linux, I only use this anymore:
1. SUSE (Whooo shocking!)
2. Slackware
3. Mandriva ... Only on certain machines though...For some reason, out of the box, it's broken with some of the machines I have here, so I use it, but only on my laptop, and even then I throw Slackware and SUSE on that too.
I miss the old RedHat...Well, just 8 and 9, the other ones sucked too lol.
Oh and SUSE Linux 8.2 Professional...I still have at least one machine with that installed, and the funny thing is this machine has on board networking, sound and video, and works out of the box better than a brand new shiny install of the latest from Microsoft, Mandriva, and a few others I won't bring up. and this is hardware that came out years after that was released and it still not only found it but configured it for me without a press of even two buttons.
I'm gonna try Suse. ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by gore
That's a nice build of SUSE. If I can get Nvidia drivers to compile on this baby then it's a go for production. Found my raids automatically and ran into no slowdowns or speed bumps. KDE is comfortable to work with. You can right click to delete, rename, copy, and move files around without any interaction using the keyboard. Speed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Linen0ise
model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
cpu MHz : 2249.921
bogomips : 4499.84
PCLinuxos
Bogomips: 4500.65
I used to dual-boot PCLinuxOS on my laptop with XP Pro. I liked it, although I didn't have access to the updated repositories due to to being too cheap to pay for access. For the heck of it, I replaced it with Ubuntu and it works pretty well for the minor things I use the laptop for.
I've thought several times I would like to try Suse, but have never taken the plunge. May download a vm of it and take it for a spin.
KP
Grab the drivers from the Nvidia web ssite for your card, they make one for Linux, or just add the Nvidia repo to YAST2 and grab them, and then shut X down, with init 3, log inas root, and type this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Linen0ise
sh NVIDIADriverName
Hit Enter
It won't usually find what it tries to download, and then makes the driver. Start X again and use Sax2 if you wanna look at the configuration with 3D. Should work fine as Nvidia supports UNIX OSs. I have had problems with some cards, but most of them work by just doing that. Older cards may need the older vesion of the driver. Just read which ones are supported in which version of the driver and find yours.
If you still have access to Pclinxos. Add 'sam', and 'testing' to upgrade to 2009. If you want kde4, add 'kde4' to the repository and point it to the 'Sam' linux distro. Pclinuxos speaks mandrake, mandriva configs.Quote:
Originally Posted by KPryor
The best way to unlock anything Linux is to browse the ftp sites the repos are using. If you get close enough to the parent directory, you will find upgrades and builds for the all linux versions.
if you want get access to pay-per-download stuff, use google. Lots of fools out there post keys and certificates to unlock such stuff ;)
*This world isn't designed for sheeps*
Quote:
Originally Posted by gore
shortly after I posted, I found lots of pages describing the process. It did mention sax2 to get _all_ the features working. Im using legacy drivers.
BTW, I have an old...old copy of Suse. It is version 6.2 and the USA store package has 6 cd's or dvd's in it. Is it worth anything on Ebay?
Thanks for the info. I don't have it installed on anything right now, but I still have the installer on a cd, so maybe I'll give it another try sometime. I may dual boot it on my desktop after I finish doing some other stuff on it.
KP
Since some of you have been asking about installing and seemed worried about it, I've decided to dig up the tutorials I wrote for doing that very thing.
I haven't written one in some time now, and the installers HAVE changed since then. However, the installation is still very much the same for most of these distros.
I know OpenSUSE 11 is basically a live CD, and to start that install you'd just double click on the Icon saying Install, and it starts it up. For the most part you won't have any issues doing it.
Windows is actually harder to install than Linux, and Linux actually has a better GUI for the installers unless it's Debian or Slackware in which case it's text based like most of the Windows install is.
Here you go:
Installing NetSecL:
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=276698
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Installing Vector Linux 5 -
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=268140
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Dual booting Debian and Windows:
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=266065
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Installing SUSE 9.1 Professional -
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=256428
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Installing Slackware 10.1 -
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=264511
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Dual booting FreeBSD and Slackware Linux-
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=262097
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Installing Trustix -
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=257866
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Basic Slackware installation :
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=258140
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Installing and dual booting with, SUSE Linux 9.1 Professional, and Windows XP-
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=258363
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Installing FreeBSD -
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=256949
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Instaling Libranet -
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=251791
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Once you have SUSE installed, this is how you could set up an FTP server on it which would first, give you a way of doing back ups to a central location, and second, teach you how it works:
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=260371
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=260371
Nice, gore. I didn't realize you had written that many.
So another point for linux. I was dreading installing a printer on my wife's laptop (running Ubuntu 8.10) so I looked around for drivers for this particular printer before I even started. Turns out that was unnecessary, because five seconds after I plugged it in and turned it on, the laptop recognized the printer! Everything works man...printing, scanning, and of course copying. I was slightly blown away.
I've written way more than that. I just posted the ones I found first heh. I've written a crap load of those things, but some were really old and wouldn't help anyone right now unless they had an old OLD version they wanted to install, so I skipped those, and I also skipped a few that were re-writes or just "updated" versions that included new stuff if one of the installations had changed or something.
Gore.Quote:
Originally Posted by gore
If you wouldn't mind, but could you add them all to this thread:>
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=277827
I had a few links bookmarked, but since the upgraded moved stuff around i cannot find 'em. :(
:)
Yea, I can grab more and put them in there. The other stuff I did was either installation based or using it once it was installed.
I also did a thing for Vi. It was a short one on basic usage for people who were trying to figure out why it just beeps at them when they type.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khdCINnt2kQ
Just check the enclosed instruction book.
im still lookin for the right linux for me. just found sabayon linux and it looked promising. guess ill be on the scene for awhile :(
Hey gore
Well, I have to admit the following. I have HAD a lot of battles in the past about this, strongly believing in Gentoo and thus defending it with everything I could. Since I have tried alot distros, and I am now using mostly debian, just for the things gore summed up. I even was against debian at that time (there used to be a war between debian /gentoo). How silly it was ...Quote:
In all fairness, Gentoo works very well at a lot of tasks. If you decide to use this, talk to Shrekkie / Raiden, and get on his good side. He is to Gentoo, what I am to SuSE: An elitist.
As I teach linux now in evening school for adults, I tell my students to try out, to experiment with different flavors. It's all up to yourself. What are you comfortable with. I use Ubuntu for day to day use (as its debian based) and debian for my server environments. I even support my students in their distro-flavor, as good as I can.
The irony ... huh ?
Irony would be if you used my install tutorials for them. Considering how much bashing you used to do to me based on the fact that I wrote so many Linux and BSD installation tutorials.
Does Debian still have two patches a day? I haven't actually looked in a while because of the stuff I've had to do this past year, but I remember watching Bugtraq thinking "Wow, Gentoo and Debian have like at least two patches a day, why is this?".
Gentoo was worse, with like 2 - 5 patches a day rolling by the list, and then Debian was in second place with 1 - 2 patches per day.
Slackware only had some once in a while, and SUSE was sort of in the middle. Which is to be expected considering they customized most of their stuff with at the least a logo, and at most a total re-write.
I always thought SUSE would have more just because they had a whole team dedicated to auditing the code line by line like OpenBSD goes on and on and on and on about. It made sence they'd have more because they went over the whole system line by line to fix security bugs, but they seemed to always do a good job.
I remember a while back having a laugh with Marcus Meissner, the head of SUSE security, who I might add once wrote a Kernel patch, FOR ME, because it screwed up my Nvidia drivers after an update and I happened to be talking to him at the time, and he went in early to patch it for the card I had, and released it so I could keep 3D. I thought that was nice ;)
Anyway, we had a good laugh one time; A bug got released that had a security vuln in it where you could get access with it. People were nagging him about releasing a patch and he simply pointed out that the only thing this exploit did was allow you to "own yourself". you already needed an account and to be logged in, and so he was like "I'm not patching this. I'm not making a patch that could in itself break something and make people reboot because you can get your own password. That's stupid, I'm not doing it, download the exploit and use it the next time you forget your password".
I just thought it was funny.
Anyway, lately here is my set up:
Laptop:
Small XP Partition for DooM and Quake and Wolfenstein and UT.
Rest of disk:
Mandriva 2008.0 with 3D and neat looking Compiz.
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Main Desktop #2:
One huge HUGE partition. Open SUSE 11
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Main Desktop #1
HD#1: Windows XP. Hasn't been boosted in a long time.
HD#2: way bigger drive. Whole thing allocated to FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE
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Test desktop - Old machine -
Partition 1 - Windows 98 SE for Magic The Gathering game that won't work on anything else.
Partition 2 - Slackware 12.2
Other Laptop:
XP on one partition, SUSE 11 on the other.
Also have Solaris around here too, but I don't let it go online. #1 because I haven't spent enough time to figure out how to have it connect, and two because I don't know quite what I'm doing with it yet, so it's probably safer to let it play offline for now. Love the layout and how it works so far though.
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Server / Old Computer. Was the first one I ever bought. P3:
Two HDs. First drive is Slackware 12.0 with VSFTP running.
Disk two is way bigger and is one big partition /storage for ...Storage.
I decided to give links to Linux installation tutorials that have been written by members here that I just dug up. Most of the ones are from me, because I pretty much just searched for them and grabbed a few others too, but after you choose which one you want, these links may help you in the installation process, so, enjoy:
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Mr. dich thuat
I think that something got lost in the translation here...............:rolleyes:
I think that Mr. Tuat = Mr. **** :D
I have banned the nasty little bot's account anyways.
A question for you Yanks:
When you scurried away from Vietnam you left 30,000,000 craters caused by ordnance with a payload of 500lbs or more. Given a population of 14,000,000, will they ever let you back on Camp Perry? :p
:lildevil:
@gore
I notice that the bot selected yours and my posts to copy and repost?
I have left the link for those fluent in Vietnamese. Sorry, I couldn't find any sex drugs, penis enlargers, or pr0n..........but I don't do Vietnamese :(
They DO have killer food if you try a Vietnamese Grill some time. Damn good food.
Well, I've been using Linux for more than a year now. Have been doing a bunch of research bumping me from a noob to an advanced user :p. Well, my favourite all time distribution is SuSE. I have it on my desktop and my laptop which I bring to school since I don't trust Windows for mission critical data anyways. I haven't touched Windows for normal usage for months (since Linux got whacky on me). I only use my Windows partition for Gaming only now...
We call that "Wintendo" normally; You use Linux, or BSD, or really any OS you like, and keep Windows just for games, like a Nintendo could only play games and nothing more. So yea, there's actually a term for that.
I've done it too. I have... Well, we have 11 Computers here, and my Network have Desktops and Laptops both, and, I have exactly ONE Partition with Windows on it; Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit is on my Main Desktop on a single Partition, dual booting with Slackware.
The rest of my machines all run either Linux or BSD of some sort. There's not to many games I play that don't work in Linux or BSD; I mostly play FPS games, and in particular I play the id Software ones; The Original DooM Series, Quake Series, Wolfenstein Series, and I also play the Unreal and Unreal Tournament Series. All those work on Linux and BSD though, and other than that, I like League of Legends, and Dungeon Crawlers. Dungeon Crawlers as in the type of game; I play Dungeon Crawl the text based game as well. Which is native to Unix.
lol "Wintendo" i swear that is the 1st time i've actually heard that. :)
Me too! :D
Whilst gore is right in that most games are written for Windows, Windows itself hasn't really been that games friendly in my experience, which is why I still have older versions running on older machines.
The money is with Windows, and the games vendors want you to buy another copy?
Somehow I have never found any emulation software that was quite "the same"
Windows 8 seems to be a bit different in that I have had success in at least loading some older games that I didn't expect.
I am beginning to suspect that Microsoft are beginning to "look after #1" in that if they make their latest offering compatible with older stuff, they will sell more copies, particularly if they throw in VM as they have with Windows 7 Ultimate.
As for the question:
An Argentinian version of Debian 5
A Cuban version of Gentoo
I also tried and rejected a couple of Chinese distros they just seemed to be translations with nothing innovative.
Pretty much everything gore has personally recommended :D
An English version of Debian 5 that someone gave me on a linux magazine DVD.
I once tried Ubuntu but didn't like the turd colour scheme ............. the Moon OS that gore recommended is much nicer ;)
Have you tried Fuduntu ? it's a mix of debian & fedora, very very lightweight, and it's pretty much the only *nix distro that has worked out of the box on my new laptop.
once installed you can go into the preference menu, select customize installtion and it will open a winder and you can change a heap of settings to fine tune the installation. It also seems to make connecting & sharing between window boxes very easy.