Getting Back To The Going Back

Hog:

You make some valid points... I can't deny that....

People use AP wrongly here IMO.... Firstly, they shouldn't be allowed in a non-sec related area... Period.... That kills the bullshitters, dead... Then, if it's an opinion you lay out, (and lets face it there are still a bunch of opinions in the sec world), and you get negged then the negger should probably be castigated because he attacked an opinion.... However, if the opinion is based on clearly disinformation then the neg stands....

Maybe we need a neg ombudsman that you can complain to.... who has the absolute ability to place your complaints on an ignore list... ;) Silly, I know......

Alliances..... phhhhht or whatever..... The children that do that are so easily spotted by the mods or JupM that it's really irrelevant.

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My AOL coaster set is almost complete. I am missing #564 and #957. Do you have those?

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You _look_ at them that closely....... Hog, my man, you need a life..... ;)

JP: You sold the site and probably made a pretty penny in the process. If things aren't going the way you expected, well that's just tough. You can't come back and expect to start dictating things like you still run the site, because you don't, any more than I would tell someone who bought a PC off me that they should run Linux because I think it's better than Windows. If you don't like the way things are done, there's nothing stopping you (once your non-competing contract expires) from starting your own site and doing things the way you want.

Personally, I'm glad in a lot of ways that the site is run by a company rather than an individual webmaster. Yes, the site has to be run for a profit and perhaps there are more ads than would otherwise be the case, but at least I know that AO will be here in the morning because JM will ensure that they have enough money to pay the bandwidth bills (and they can probably obtain bandwidth for a LOT less than a single webmaster). Secondly, the admins on AO don't have an over-inflated "wow I run a popular hacking site, I must be really l33t" attitude which I noticed did happen once AO's membership grew significantly under JP. If they ever start charging for membership (which is my only real worry), then I'll leave, simple as.

AO was good when there were about 10,000 members and there was no antipoint system. There was a group of regular posters, some of whom (of which I am not one!) knew what they were talking about when it came to security. The others learnt from their knowledge - shared mainly in the form of informative posts and occassionally tutorials. You could start flamewars and have a laugh without worrying that some git with 10,000 APs would take offence and neg you into oblivion. That community aspect has, in my opinion, died over the past few years, regardless of who has been in charge.

In the past, I used to check AO whenever I was online, nowadays I generally only pop my head in if someone points out an interesting thread that I feel like replying to. Beyond that, there's very little I find AO worth coming to for.

And to the people who will inevitably disagree and neg me for this post, you're wasting your time. I really don't care how many green/grey/red dots there are next to my name. Depriving me of one or more of them won't make a difference to anything other than your overinflated egos.

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Originally posted here by pwaring

If they ever start charging for membership (which is my only real worry), then I'll leave, simple as.

AO was good when there were about 10,000 members and there was no antipoint system. There was a group of regular posters, some of whom (of which I am not one!) knew what they were talking about when it came to security. The others learnt from their knowledge - shared mainly in the form of informative posts and occassionally tutorials. You could start flamewars and have a laugh without worrying that some git with 10,000 APs would take offence and neg you into oblivion. That community aspect has, in my opinion, died over the past few years, regardless of who has been in charge.

In the past, I used to check AO whenever I was online, nowadays I generally only pop my head in if someone points out an interesting thread that I feel like replying to. Beyond that, there's very little I find AO worth coming to for.

And to the people who will inevitably disagree and neg me for this post, you're wasting your time. I really don't care how many green/grey/red dots there are next to my name. Depriving me of one or more of them won't make a difference to anything other than your overinflated egos.

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Relax, they won't charge, I know for sure.

Leaving won't make AO better, making good posts will

Overinflated Egos???? What the hell is that? =o

*/me starts a new thread so my ego can fit*

Hoggy.... Watching with interest as defrag runs doesn't make you a geek. It makes you a sad bastard, don't confuse yourself.

LOL

Gore & tiger: me..have a life? I am working 12 hour days then going home and doing forensics work until around 2am or later in some cases. Even my yawns have yawns... Summer is ending and I am as pasty white as I was at the end of last winter.

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Originally posted here by fyrewall
your right JP noone gives a **** about this site anymore .. its dropped off the radar completely ..

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Uhm, of course I am right! (hehe)

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Originally posted here by ZomBieMann77
What gives you the right to come back and bitch about how its run?

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Well, as long as I still have an account here, and I'm not banned, I think I have a right to post some suggestions in the suggestions forum. I think they're good suggestions too. Besides, you said yourself you weren't here in the "old days", so what the hell gives you the right to comment in a thread about going back to the basics of how the site use to be? This is the type of stupid comments from stupid people that I was talking about earlier. Did you just feel the need to jump on the bandwagon by posting in this thread without really having anything to say? Did you think you were going to get some easy greenies? Blah....

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Originally posted here by pwaring
You can't come back and expect to start dictating things like you still run the site, because you don't

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I certainly don't think this thread was an example of me attempting to "dictate". I think that it is, as I intended, an attempt to offer advice and inspire change. How is that the least bit inappropriate?

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Originally posted here by pwaring
AO was good when there were about 10,000 members and there was no antipoint system.

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I agree with you. Getting rid of the AntiPoints System would NOT be a popular thing to do. This goes back to my comments about sometimes needing to do what's best, and ignoring everyone that thinks you're an ******* for doing it. People on here damn near worship their green dots as false idols, does anyone think they're going to want to just let go of them? Haha, of course not.

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Originally posted here by pwaring
In the past, I used to check AO whenever I was online, nowadays I generally only pop my head in if someone points out an interesting thread that I feel like replying to. Beyond that, there's very little I find AO worth coming to for.

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Exactly what I was saying. AntiOnline no longer provides a REASON for people to visit. The site no longer has a niche.

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Originally posted here by Raion
Reading JPs post has insipired me to make more meaningful posts and visit more often now

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That was exactly part of my intent of starting this thread. As I said before, people need inspired, people will make contributions to something they feel is worth the effort.

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Originally posted here by Negative
There's not much left to learn anymore, since you already learned it all during your three years here.

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That is absolutely stupid (Sorry Neg, but it had just been WAY too long since I had the opportunity to call you stupid, had to do it for old times sake). "Not much left to learn anymore"? Not much left on AntiOnline to learn anymore maybe, but that's because the content on the main page, and elsewhere, hasn't ever CHANGED in the last year and a half. It hasn't been updated, new things haven't been added, it's all static out of date crap.

The security profession is a relatively new one, and it is CONSTANTLY evolving. It's like being a doctor, it's impossible to "learn everything there is to know", because "everything" is changing on a daily basis.

It's true, you can only learn so much from most of the idiots that are still hanging around posting. Don't get me wrong, there are some VERY good users who post some VERY interesting and helpful tutorials and threads. These people know who they are, and my comments aren't meant to slight them. But, for the most part, you are right in a way. You can only learn so much from most of these users before you realize what dumbasses they are, and move along to another site.

However, I don't buy for a MINUTE that AntiOnline should simply accept that premise. Accept that the life cycle of a new user is 3 years, before they've learned all there is to learn from it. AntiOnline once pushed the very limits of the profession, and as a result, those on the cutting edge flocked here.

What I was suggesting, is that the site push the envelope of content and innovation once again....

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Originally posted by JP
"Not much left to learn anymore"? Not much left on AntiOnline to learn anymore maybe, but that's because the content on the main page, and elsewhere, hasn't ever CHANGED in the last year and a half. It hasn't been updated, new things haven't been added, it's all static out of date crap.

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Thanks, that was exactly my point :)

My post was exclusively geared towards people who state that "AntiOnline's level of content has gone down". I countered that by saying that it's not the level of content that has gone down, it's the perception that you have about that level that has gone down.

If the content of AO "hasn't ever changed in the last year and a half", then how could it have gone down? It couldn't, which was exactly my point, and my only point.

I thought it was pretty obvious that I was talking about AntiOnline when I said "not much left to learn anymore":

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And now, three years later, you indeed did learn a lot and you indeed are contributing the best you can. But your perception of AO also has changed. There's not much left that is way over your head. There's not much left to learn anymore, since you already learned it all during your three years here.

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I found out today that I'm not liked and that I'm stupid... that's just too much for a Monday, definitely for one in September.

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Originally posted here by Negative
I found out today that I'm not liked and that I'm stupid... that's just too much for a Monday, definitely for one in September.

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Oh now come on. Quit acting like this is news to you. :george:

HAHA, all these years later, and that's still the best smilie i've ever found. Cracks me up everytime i see it! HAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAhahahahaaaaaaaaaa

Hello, Quad here: I think you should all get on your knees and kiss my shoe.

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Originally posted here by MrNiceGuy
Hello, Quad here: I think you should all get on your knees and kiss my shoe.

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Woot, Quad is back! HI QUAD!

You newbs best not neg the guy either. He's cool, and owns not only you, but your momma too!

:hippy:

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Originally posted here by JP
Woot, Quad is back! HI QUAD!

You newbs best not neg the guy either. He's cool, and owns not only you, but your momma too!

:hippy:

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Too late! Stupid posts in a serious thread make my finger inch near the AP system :)

**** this thread, every get over it. This place sucks, and isn't going to get any better

not with that attitude it wont ..

You should all bow down and kiss JP's shoe too. If it wasn't for his vision, and hard work; none of you dorks would have a place to circle jerk.

/me spooges on his biatch. Now be a nice guy and swallow.

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Originally posted here by MrNiceGuy
You should all bow down and kiss JP's shoe too. If it wasn't for his vision, and hard work; none of you dorks would have a place to circle jerk.

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Sure.. vBulletin + Karma hack = AO...

It was the users that made this site what it was at one point and its the users that have killed it... let it be, let JP have his rant, let everyone make witty comments, but in the end, what happens? Nothing... live with it and move on.

OMG, hogfly ... that was so freakin' hot. Lets make a bukkake film. ;)

Greetings,

While reading this thread I noticed JP mentioned how attrition.org loved him so much. So I just couldn’t resist the temptation. I had to surf over there to see if they still posted any items relative to him and AO.

Well I don’t believe they will be inviting him to dinner anytime soon. There remains several sections of their site where they clearly display their fondest affections for him. Here are a couple of articles with links, just for your viewing pleasure.

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http://grcsucks.com/

Introduction

After Attrition.org [negation, shame, slander] did a good job at exposing self proclaimed security experts, media darlings, false claims spreaders and mass media manipulators such as Caroline Meinel and |JP|, they quit doing so.


http://www.attrition.org/negation/

FIN

Welp, it is time to end this part of Attrition.

It is abundantly clear that John Vranesevich, his family, his business,
and his business partners are complete frauds.

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All of the members of the old watch deserve a hardy “Well Done!” You got into their knickers and really pissed them off. However this is a different watch now. Not to say one era is better than the other. But rather, it is different in many ways.

I’m sure most of us would enjoy being involved in a site that practices the original premise and also the AO that exists now. My only negative comment about renewing the “Ole Days” would be that many of us have much more to learn first otherwise you would toss us out. However we do bring many talents along with us. Personnally, I do have the ability to articulate (talk some good ****) fairly well. So if you want to teach me how to “piss them off” and you need someone to put them in the fetal position sucking their thumbs, then here I am.

cheers

Relyt: If there is one thing we need..it's someone who knows how to order pizza.

Well, what kind do you want? It might take me awhile longer than normal because I'll be using your box to order it from.... :D


j/k of course

edit: shhhh....dammit
;)

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j/k of course

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Liar.

JP yea you may be a memeber with a valid acount but that doesnt make you a part of this site. Just about everything I see you post is trying to stir up ****.

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Did you think you were going to get some easy greenies? Blah....

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No not realy. I dont particularly care about the AP system. I hate to admit that i actualy agree with you on something but i am all for the removal of the AP system. But i cant help but wonder if you would be able to make it here under another name with your smart assed attitude but nobody knew who you were. i doubt it. Your just pissed because people are finaly starting to realize your **** does stink. And yea your right stupid is as stupid does. You created this mess. Not by starting the site but by leaving it. And now you want us to feel sorry for poor ol' JP. Well it might work with some of the lemmings around here but not the ones capable of an independant thought. Just go back to YICS. Oh yea you cant. It died.

of course it died it took half an hour to type www.yoursincyberspace.com in the address bar...

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Originally posted here by ZomBieMann77
But i cant help but wonder if you would be able to make it here under another name with your smart assed attitude but nobody knew who you were. i doubt it.

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"Make it here". This isn't exactly the hood yo. Besides, people like you are easily manipulated. Who's to say one or more of the "popular members" of this site aren't really me? You should take some time to read some of the articles I've written in the past....... ;)

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Originally posted here by ZomBieMann77
Your just pissed because people are finally starting to realize your **** does stink.

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Ok, I'll forgive this comment, because you haven't been around very long. People have ALWAYS bitched about me. There were entire communities of people dedicated to it. I hate to break it to you, but this isn't anything new.

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Originally posted here by ZomBieMann77
And now you want us to feel sorry for poor ol' JP. Well it might work with some of the lemmings around here but not the ones capable of an independant thought.

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Uhm, you might have "independent thought", but it obviously doesn't work very well. I don't think this thread was about making anyone feel "sorry for me" in any way shape or form. I posted some suggestions that I thought would help improve things a bit. They were well thought out, and I feel are very constructive.

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Originally posted here by ZomBieMann77
Just go back to YICS. Oh yea you cant. It died.

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How do you know what's going on with YICS? It was up for beta, now it's down. I wonder why, and I wonder if it'll come back. Hmmm. Don't try to pretend you're in my head. It's a scary place.......

hang on guys this thread was disigned to stop flame **** like what happened between cshs and irongeek and now it has become exactly the same ... maybe we shouldnt post in this thread anymore ... all good ideas and some bad have been put forward what more is there to discuss ... lets just get out there and start posting good ****

/me gets his pom poms...GO TEAM GO! LET'S GO AO!

Zombie, dude, get away from his head. Once you look into the abyss... You know the story, and next thing you know you'll be dumping ZombieGirl and looking for some young meat. JP's head scares the **** out of me. His **** however does not stink, it seems to smell like Ocean Breeze baby lotion.

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Originally posted here by hogfly
/me gets his pom poms...GO TEAM GO! LET'S GO AO!

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You must blow as a cheer leader, JP is pitching for the wrong team! LOL

Ok thank you all, i really enjoyed this thread untill i reached the 6th page, now it's a non-sensical thread over again .....

Sorry for the interruption(so what if i spelled it wrong, did I ?) Please continue !

Yea, he's right, it's going to **** now. Maybe it's time for a suicide bombing? ;) Buahahahahaha. BOFH strikes again.

Greetings All:

I think that the direction that this thread has gone is a perfect case-in-point of the issues that I brought up to begin with.....

:brickwall

.....that's why it's phunny. :p

JP: blah..I took this seriously until people started making it personal. While I tend to think this thread has a little to do with your ego, I think it has more to do with your suggestions(which I happen to agree with for the most part). by all appearances and the lack of response from the jupiter media rep's I don't think they have taken this seriously. I don't count negative as a rep..he's more of a lackey :D

Interesting to say the least...........

I have been around 'AO' for a little bit, and seen it change considerably. I liked the old 'AO' but then again I like the new 'AO' also......except for the 'AP' bitching.

I would like to see the old 'AO' (underground style) resurrected, but I also feel there is a place for the present 'AO' in all its confusion.

JP, when your non-compete agreement runs out I hope you do resurrect the old 'AO' or at least something similar.

JupMedia, I wish you would do something with the 'AP' system so that the constant bitching about it ceases.

Members, if the content bothers you, or the quality is lacking for you......help change it or live with it.



And Hogfly, welcome as the 'Forinsic Forum Moderator'. I follow the forum, but haven't been able to participate as yet, as I am just learning the basics of the topic.

Thats my humble opinion.
moxnix

Dearest moderators/owners/administrators...

Please take note of this: This is the kind of environment that you are running. I strongly suggest you deal with this problem. This is pretty much rediculous, and out of line.


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Today 08:18 PM get ya later with greenies, im helping * close the thread !

- contact user about this assignment: AP Poster: *
Getting Back To The Goi...
Today 10:29 PM dude.....plz. How funny would it be if this thread went suicidal?

- contact user about this assignment: AP Poster: *
Getting Back To The Goi...
Today 10:29 PM Seeing if I can kill this

- contact user about this assignment: AP Poster: *

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by all appearances and the lack of response from the jupiter media rep's I don't think they have taken this seriously.

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Maybe JupiterMedia reps prefer to think and form a well-thought-out opinion before they post, unlike 90% of posters in this thread.
This thread only started today, and went to sh*t right here, only 18 hours later with Quad's post (what a surprise), JP's stupid reply to it (sure, blame JUPM for what you are partially to blame for), whizkid's usual nonsense, YOUR crap, MORE usual Quad-stuff, MORE of YOUR crap.

And Gore: don't make me ban your silly ass because you feel the need again to show off your AntiPoints.

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Originally posted here by hogfly
Dearest moderators/owners/administrators...

Please take note of this: This is the kind of environment that you are running. I strongly suggest you deal with this problem. This is pretty much rediculous, and out of line.


Getting Back To The Goi...
Today 08:18 PM get ya later with greenies, im helping * close the thread !

- contact user about this assignment: AP Poster: *
Getting Back To The Goi...
Today 10:29 PM dude.....plz. How funny would it be if this thread went suicidal?

- contact user about this assignment: AP Poster: *
Getting Back To The Goi...
Today 10:29 PM Seeing if I can kill this

- contact user about this assignment: AP Poster: *

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Hey Hey,

I was tempted to neg this thread to see it closed myself.. I'm still considering it.. I originally gave greenies to JP because I think he had some valid points... but I think a lot of this thread is useless and a lot of people who participated in this thread just to shout out agreement and "look cool because they agree with JP" deserve to be negged.. In all honesty I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed yet when you look at some of the other threads that have been closed in the past... BTW Hog... I generally respect what you have to say in here.. but since you posted that publicly... even though you had the decency to remove the names.. You'd be one of the people that I'd aim at... That contributes in no way to this thread and is a useless post.. It could have been sent to Neg and MSM in a PM... or it could have been ignored because in all fairness the APs are for self moderation and it seems like a good number of the members of this site wish to see this thread closed... Maybe we should have set guidelines that if the mods recieve X number of reports about a thread it is closed.... otherwise I think that negging people in a thread to close it is fair game... It's using APs for their intented purpose... to moderate the site the way we see fit... certain members ( which may in the future include myself if this thread goes on much longer) don't feel that this thread should be open.... to that I say Amen.. It's freedom of expression and that's what they're doing.... Expressing their desire to close this thread.

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And Gore: don't make me ban your silly ass because you feel the need again to show off your AntiPoints.

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Aren't the APs for self moderation??? That's what the users throwing around the negs are doing... attempting to self moderate the site. Maybe it should be taken as a hint that this thread should be closed... because if it's not going to be then the people that are negging others really aren't doing anything agains the rules...

Peace,
HT

X number of reports... as in "more than zero"? That's the number of reports I received on this thread. If people really are only negging random posts in this thread to have it closed, then that's sad. There's the PM system, there's the report button.

I prefer to go by reported posts rather than by how many members negged random posts. BTW: this thread is still "extremely positive". How's that for self-moderation.

Greetings All:

I agree. This thread has long since outlived its usefulness. My intent was to have a constructive and positive discussion about possible changes that could be made to help improve the current environment.

Instead, it's become a microcosm of the very same problems that I was addressing.

Perhaps it's time that this thread is put to sleep.

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Originally posted here by Negative
X number of reports... as in "more than zero"? That's the number of reports I received on this thread. If people really are only negging random posts in this thread to have it closed, then that's sad. There's the PM system, there's the report button.

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Hey Hey,

I never said that you had recieved any... I'm just saying that maybe there should be an addition to the "rules" of the site that says if say 5 members report a thread or 10 members report a thread then it'll be closed (make the site slightly more democratic.... give a little thread reported X times in the corner or something like that)... While it may be sad that they are negging to close it... It is the right that they have.... However since it's yet to have been reported.. I'll click that button just so you get one in protest to the life of the thread.

Peace,
HT

*Thread closed*
Now go start a thread telling me what a nazi I am.