how was it god's fault?
he told them not to eat the fruit, they were tempted and disobeyed. where does the guilt lie with god?
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how was it god's fault?
he told them not to eat the fruit, they were tempted and disobeyed. where does the guilt lie with god?
In Scotland "fags" is a slang name for cigarettes.Quote:
e.g. A packet of fags
Draw your own conclusions :D
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the LORD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.And if you ever heard it, it meant your ass. I never really questioned what it meant. I thought it was just a cold-blooded thing to say to a mother****er before you popped a cap in his ass. --Jules
Leave a kid (how old were Adam and Eve when they got kicked out of Eden?) with something he or she can't touch/eat...Quote:
Originally posted here by Kthln01
how was it god's fault?
he told them not to eat the fruit, they were tempted and disobeyed. where does the guilt lie with god?
God should have put child-safe-caps on them apples :p
It's entrapment..
I still think all this GOD and church and believing and love and so on is CRAP ...propaganda from some smart dudes back in the old days to keep simple people under the thumb.
Give them some mythical person to believe in that will make everything better, that will give them love and warmth and food.... yeah right.
Where was GOD when WWI started
Where was GOD when WWII started
Where was GOD when the COLD war started
Where was GOD when Vietnam happend
Where was GOD when the Genocide in Africa happend that killed 1 million innocent people.
And where is GOD now when all those american soldiers are dying in Iraq for who knows what reason, not to mention the innocent iraqi people.
Where is the LOVE ... right.
All these people praying for War and cruelties to stop ...does it help ...NO ...still everyday people die of hunger , of thirst , they die due to some hypercrazy extremist that believes in some kind of GOD, die of deseases and so on..come on ..open your eyes.
And now you're gonna tell me it's a test from HIM to see if we people still believe.
If that's one of GOD's tests then he is one big sarcastic SOB in my opinion.
GOD is far to much used for comitting crimes and cruelties ... It's not GOD that gives LOVE it's the people..and as long as the people don't change, churches and all alike will always use some kind of trick to keep power over the people.
Sorry for the rant , but all this believe and GOD crap got to me... I've lost a few loved ones to some ugly deseases and other crap ...I never had a polite word from HIM that this is all part of natural progress.
I'm not some pesimistic nobody, maybe I'm a bit to realistic for my own good ... I enjoy life as much as I can and live my life day to day... but believing in some kind of being that rules us and gives us hope ..no sorry ..there is no logic in that... I'll believe in myself and the things I can accomplish.
If I get banned now for saying this ...well so be it ...atleast I used my freedom of opinion once.
C.
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Leave a kid (how old were Adam and Eve when they got kicked out of Eden?) with something he or she can't touch/eat...
Adam and Eve were perfect in the beginning, which means they had a complete understanding of right and wrong. It wasnt entrapment, it was disobedience.
Your next door neighbor leaves his car running in his driveway. If you steal it, can you claim it was entrapment? Adam and Eve had plenty of food to eat in Eden, the serpent fooled them into thinking that the apple would give them the knowledge of God, knowing good and evil.
Every society has to has order and rules, they only had two:
Dont eat from the tree.
Become fruitful and multiply.
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Where was GOD when WWI started.......
Have you read the entire Bible? And by 'read', I mean read for understanding and not content?
Satan was a rebellious angel who was ejected from heaven with his demons. And from that point, he challenged God's sovreignty (right to rule). As was the case with Job, and so on. When we inherited sin, God sought out a way for us to gain everlasting life. Herein comes the sacrifice of Jesus. If you really read the Bible, you know that Satan is in control of this world and God, in his own appointed time, will put an end to all wickedness. Thats why people go to church, synagogue, etc. So that on God's judgement day, they will have been found righteous and worthy of his salvation.
You say that you've lost loved ones, who hasn't? People die, that's natural. Some people live by faith, some dont. I'm not gonna judge you, I'm just sharin my side.
If they were perfect they couldn't have sinned..
Who created the serpent ??
If they were perfect, why did they lack the 'understanding of good and evil' ??
If they didn't have an 'understanding of good and evil' how could they have dissobeyed (sinned) ??
they were created with the ability to choose also.
being perfect doesnt mean that you are a robot, programmed to only do right.
The devil was perfect, but he wanted to have control, so he proved himself wicked and was thrown out of heaven.
I've started reading the bible time and time again, (end every time I had to quit) just so that I could understand the madness of it, the guy(s) or girl(s) that wrote it were genuises in disguising BS.Quote:
If you really read the Bible, you know that Satan is in control of this world and God, in his own appointed time, will put an end to all wickedness. Thats why people go to church, synagogue, etc. So that on God's judgement day, they will have been found righteous and worthy of his salvation.
I still say where's the proof that Jesus died for us ... he was a working class guy earning his money as a carpenter and all of a sudden he does something wrong and gets nailed to the cross... he then becomes the son of GOD.
It reads like sience fiction ... Darth Vader is suddenly the father of Luke Skywalker... it's all the same to me.
I respect your believe and anyone's believe ... I don't care if you believe in GOD, JAHWEH or whatever... I don't care what color your skin is or if you're a Nazi, Muslim or Crackwhore... in the end it all comes down to one thing ... Common sence .
If you want to believe that 1 day (like the year 2000 then it was 2010 tommorow it can be something else) GOD will come down from his ivory cloud and judge us on the time we spend in church or praying ... fine by me ... to me it's the same as saying ... One day I'll be president if I go to church enough they'll pick me as president for sure. And if you still want to worship a GOD that lets SATAN rule the world instead of taking over and making things right ...Fine by me.
it sounds more like, if I'm popular HE will pick me or if your nice the BIG MAN will come and take you with him to paradise.
What is it I said ... I said : ...I never had a polite word from HIM that this is all part of natural progress.Quote:
You say that you've lost loved ones, who hasn't? People die, that's natural. Some people live by faith, some dont. I'm not gonna judge you, I'm just sharin my side.
Note the natural progress ... that's what I meant with natural .. so what I meant to say is ..that many people believe that when a person dies, he/she gets called to GOD ... And I believe in natural progress ... meaning if your time is up ...your dead.
And now I think this battle of the GODS must end because I think alot of people will get tired of it quickly... unless you want to defend your right of believing ..which I never attacked in the first place.
C.
In the UK if you left your car running and some one stole it there is a good chance you would be prosecuted. Not only that but your insurance company would refuse to pay out on a claimQuote:
Your next door neighbor leaves his car running in his driveway. If you steal it, can you claim it was entrapment?
Ok Cemetric, we agree to disagree on some things. I'm not gonna claim to be a Bible expert, cuz I read the Bible and took my own interpretation. I dont go to church, and I never have ( and probably never will)
Jinxy,
who would be prosecuted: the owner or the thief?
if the owner, why?
For soliciting/entrapment..
Same goes for wide open Wireless Access Points btw :D
Well the thief would be prosecuted for taking and driving away. The owner could be prosecuted as it is against the law to leave a vehicle unattended with the engine running, at least on the public highway it is. That applies even if the doors are locked.Quote:
who would be prosecuted: the owner or the thief?
if the owner, why?
OK, to be fair, in your post you said in the neighbours drive way. I just posted because I thought your analagy was not that good. Some ones driveway may well be considered public highway over here, but that would depend on the bylaws in there area.
I don't want to get into a theological discussion, I have my beliefs, I choose not to preach them as I believe faith to be an intensly personal choise.
I would like to say though that in some cultures putting temptation in some persons reach is tountamount to actualy committing a crime.
As for god hates, "fags".........fags is slang for cigaretts. Hence my rather throw away first post.
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As for god hates, "fags".........fags is slang for cigaretts. Hence my rather throw away first post
ok then how about:
Quetzalcoatl hates queers
Hermes hates homos
Pan hates pinkos
(j/k) TedOb1 hates no one (in particular)
AMEN! and so mote it be!Quote:
I don't want to get into a theological discussion, I have my beliefs, I choose not to preach them as I believe faith to be an intensly personal choise.
Actually i started this thread because of one i started earlier on anti-war protests outside of veterans hospitals. it just seemed to put "there's a time and a place for everything" into better prospective along with those who would do such things.
You people have it all wrong....
God LOVES you!
Everyone else thinks you're an *******.
How about "the supreme diety" hates carpet munchers,
Thor hates fudge packers
Odin hates rusty sheriff badge stabbers?
I broke the rules and didn't read damn near anything in the thread. Sorry...Quote:
Members of a [strike]church[/strike] cult say God is...
What if god hates you? Then we all ****ed aren't we?
Well, I'm a pretty affirmed Nihilist and have some rather different approaches to the whole "God situation". Western law and social law is pretty in step with most religious teachings. If someone lives a lawful life, they most likely live as a "good" person.
If God wants to condemn you for having a same-sex partner, pre-marital sex, comdomn usage, being covetous (but not stealing), or not whorshipping It in general, what is that god to you? What are the gods to us if they offer nothing but damnation unless we willingly or subservantly heed the whip? Even the zealot that blindly serves has motives of Heaven and reward--not mere conviction alone.
If I lived as a good person, but per say I were gay (and had been sent to Hell because of it) at that point I think I would simply adopt the doctrine of my new surroundings and make the best of it. The epic poem "Paradise Lost" by John Milton comes to mind. If we as simple, insignificant mortals can create this kind of logic and morality, I don't want to worship a god that forces people to suffer eternally because I disagreed with its opinion on sexual orientation.
Thank goodness God isn't British.Quote:
In the UK if you left your car running and some one stole it there is a good chance you would be prosecuted. Not only that but your insurance company would refuse to pay out on a claim
Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Carry on. :D
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Well actually...Quote:
Actually, I don't think gays in general are that defensive about their lifestyles. Compare it with Christians. If people would say that Christians are bad and that it's okay to exterminate them, you'd probably feel under attack too, trying to justify the things you believe in.
I don't feel guilty about what I feel, whom I am. But I do feel that sometimes people tend to attack me and as a lioness I go into defense mode. If someone would claim here that Jesus Christ was a false prophet then I bet many people here will start to get into this defensive mode too.
I can only tell you from what I've experienced firsthand -- But the gays I've known are TOUCHY. Hyper touchy. Will get super ticked off at the very drop of a hint of disaproval of them. Trust me, I made the mistake of trying to set my beliefs aside and befriending one. He tried to SUE me later. (That's what I get for being nice and open minded, I suppose.)
Today I have ONE bisexual friend who doesn't get all in a tiff because I disagree with her. She lives her way, I live mine, and we're quite good friends. That's got to be the exception of the far too many super touchy "think like I do or you suck" gays that I've encountered.
Now back to this:
Nope. I hear it ALL the time. I gave up trying to argue a long time ago. And as you can see pre-edit, I wasn't going to post anything on this thread regarding the topic. I don't think I would accomplish anything, so I just think differently and keep to myself. But then I find your comment, realizing that my staying silent won't be noticed unless I bring up that I'm staying silent (how's that for ironic? :D).Quote:
f people would say that Christians are bad and that it's okay to exterminate them, you'd probably feel under attack too, trying to justify the things you believe in.
Being christian = you WILL be HATED by MANY. No sense in trying to argue or defend, just live your life. Many of us have learned to do that. So if you jump up and loudly declare Jesus a false prophet, or call for the execution of all us crazy christians, well, you have fun with that. I'm really not interested in defending myself. Take it or leave it, that's how I am. I DON'T feel a need to defend myself, and I'm not touchy on this matter.
Anywho, just to add some perspective there...
And for the record, God loves "fags". He's not a fan of the lifestyle, but there's not a human being He doesn't feel quite highly affectionate for. Now as far as His religious fans, some of them are a bit confused and out there. ;)
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