what other forums do people go to?

Hey Hey,

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Originally posted here by Egaladeist
Ahem?! Since when? Our Country is as backward when it comes to equibility as any...assumed innocent is an ideal but a very unrealistic one...the next time someone breaks into your house and a suspect is caught two streets down standing beside your tv...remind the oficers to let him go until the trial...I'm sure they'll be happy to oblige and forgo the paperwork.

Eg ;)

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No Offense intended Eg... but that's the worst example I've ever heard... There's such a thing as 'caught in the act' that immediately implies guilt... and it's as good as proven at that point.. since eye witness accounts are almost guarenteed convictions... At very least the person is guilty of possession of stolen property even if they didn't steal it.. Eitherway that example requires a crime be commited... This is a quest for information... at least until otherwise is proven.

Innocent until proven guilty is great... but It's how you come across proving something... In society we've chosen guilty until proven innocent in most major criminal cases in the past while... in most cases in general. However just because the media puts that twist on things, doesn't mean we have to conform.. isn't the background of IT Security, of "Hacking" if you will, anti-conformity... To assume someone has malicious intent is a bad way of looking at it.. Take a look at the Full Disclosure mailing list... or half the other ones... they respond to everything.. they have large readership and they're popular and lively... If we responded the same way that they do.. perhaps we'd have a popular and lively site...

Do you really think that the money supporting this site would be pulled out if the "dark side" of computer security was broached from time to time? I highly doubt it... I've seen IT companies advertising on porn sites.. Those people that believe actually talking about security will hurt this site are people that have no knowledge and are here as a place to "chill" anyways...

I'd love to see some darker, more evil stuff covered...I also think it would attract readership...

I fall back on this a lot.. but a full article on the escape sequence in hayes compatible modems would be malicious... but full of useful information to those tryign to learn and also somewhat outdated so it'd be insignificant.. With the number of large sites posting exploit code, and methods of attach... this site posting that information isn't suddenly going to come under the wrath of the outside world... That's just people that are full of themselves talking..

The site rejuvination.. ther's no doubt about it... but it needs everyone to stop whining at the same time. This thread started off as a valid question.. now it's more people bitching about what's wrong... and what should happen.. no logical debate, no valid reasoning... nothing.. just bitching and moaning..

Here's my take.. with an example question..

"Man those dicks at school are so mean, we have to use a special login to access the internet and I want the password... someone tell me how I can get the password"
-- Don't answer it... they implied their own violation of the rules and law..

"So how would you bypass or gain access to a computer"
-- Answer... they could be learning at home and you couldn't be dismissing someone who could viably contribute to the community...

Two other things need to happen..
1. Stop promoting the site as a tech support site... that's killing it.. and dragging in a bunch of useless members that no one really wants anyways..
2. Stop saying google it.. and I'm just as guilty of this... sometimes people are demanding and idiots.. they deserve it.. but when they ask a valid question.. and you say google it... all you're saying is that you yourself have no idea of the answer to the question..

Anyways.. everyone stop your damn bitching about the site.... it's getting annoying.

Peace,
HT

Hi HT,

You're right...bad example...OK...he wasn't standing next to the TV ( he couldv'e been waiting for a bus and the TV dropped beside him tp throw the police off the trail ) ...but...anyways instead we'll say he looked similiar to the description of the subject and was wearing the same color shirt.

And sure, this site wouldn't be adversely affected in the long run by the loss of an advertiser they'd simply pick up another one with fewer ethical requirements...ones that don't care about their public perception.

As for griping about the site...I haven't read that anywhere...the question was where else do you hang out...and this has been brought up before periodically.

Eg ;)

Im not some kid who calls himself a hacker. I've never met anyone who has done something illegal call themself that. I don't go around forums asking how to h4x0r but its fair to say that people who do are harmless... and generally anyone who dubs themself a hacker is an idiot. I don't see the point in getting that emotional over boxes with a few buttons and blinking lights anyway.

If it makes you feel any better... I'll be perfectly honest and assure you that I have every intention to cause trouble online.

This is a site I use to swear by to get me out of trouble, they are very conservative in there, but it is a good one.

http://www.tek-tips.com

Jolly Jonny Phrond

Hi Spec,

Do me a favor and one day explain to me why a guy who has the brains to do something positive with his talents, chooses to waste them in an attempt to cause mischief for no apparent reason.

Because I really don't get the point to this. You occasionally make a good intelligent post that shows you're not as stupid as most people think you are...and then you waste it by making 20 lame-a@@ posts that you know are just going to get you into trouble.

It's almost like you're scared to let it go...do everyone a favor...

just let it go!

Eg ;)

ahhh, AO, second home.......I need to find a new home... :P

What happened to |The|Specialist?

lol

Tiger_Shark: You may have been around longer than I have, im not about to argue or debate whether that fact is true or false, as its quite irrelevant. I know 17 year old kids as you put it, who could run around some professionally trained individuals who have been around for years. quality, not quantity dude. Now you seem to have something very confused. I have not at any point said i dont like this place? at worst i dont like the attitude some of its members seem to hold. in particular, yours. I dont intend to leave because of one or two little egotistical ****wits (you wanted to get personal). You say im not worth your time? then why are you wasting it responding. you seem to think that its gonna have some sort of effect? you are responding, so you do care somewhat.

Nokia: okay heh, no idea. if you had said typed period i would have understood, we dont say it, but i knew an englishman who would say that.

Eg: I wouldnt call the cops. 2 months or so ago i had an item valued at about 2000$ stolen from me. I made 1 phone call to set up a meeting with someone. an hour later i had that meeting. less 4 hours later that item was returned to its location. far more efficient than dealing with cops;)

HTRegz: you seem like a cool guy:D hope that is the more accepted opinion here.

Hi,

As far as other sites go, like JonnyFrond, i also use http://www.tek-tips.com.

Although the members are usually very good at answering whatever question you have i tend to find it a lot harder to navigate around than AO, and because the number of different forums is just so vast, i have no personal connections there like i do on AO.

However that also means that you will very rarely if at all see arguments over there like you see here at AO.

For me i like the personal connections i have made here at AO and i have learnt an awefull lot about security here, however if i have any question that is not security related i tend to ask it over at Tek Tips.

... whatever... still my LOYALTY is in here.....ANTIONLINE (AO)
no more... no less

Oh this is nearly as exciting as the boxing! Are any of you chaps into psychology, because this thread is a splendid place to learn.

I particularly loved Freakyg's comment:

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i honestly couldnt care less about who you are, or who you think i am. i only know what i am, and what you portray. youve assumed that i am a little kid or teenager that spends his time causing all kinds of problems for helpless little people. ever heard the saying that to assume makes an Ass out of you and Me?

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(isn't great when someone backs themself into a corner)

How wonderfully put, but for a couple of things, firstly, good communication relies on assumption to a certain extent, particularly the art of persuasion and very good communication relies on how to circumnavigate assumption, either way, without assumption, we have very discriptive sentences (that would send you into quite a deep trance after 7+/- 2 observations, try it on someone it is an interesting phenomena called hypnosis) that would be hard pushed to get any context.

The other point is that if you look at what you have written, and throw it back into your own context if you like, you have made a "meta assumption" if you like, by assuming that they assumed you were a little kid. I have to admit, I didn't see it that way, I saw it as a way to get under your skin and upset you, like saying "hey, I stuffed your mum one" and 10 out 0f 10 guys, you did a great job!

Why get heated, I have learned that heated newbies don't last long anywhere, but then in my experience neither do smartarses like me.

Sorry I couldn't stay out of such a wonderfull thread, though I think the moderators need to move it to the psycho analysis and denial forum.


:bigpimp:
Hey, lets all be Fronds

AO has its fair share of smart assess.........so I think you will be okay here


Hey I am also known as "Miss Smarty Pants"

for some of my "smart ass" replies...

There just seems to be sooooo many ASS uM tions everywhere in this thread

Stole this attachment from one of debs posts

Its one of my favorites

MLF

I could marry a woman like you Morgan......... I'd divorce you a week later and take half your money!

TS

How come you are so mad at us Canadians lately...

Oh...must be our new prime ministrer ;)

Jonny

Thats already been tried....all properties are now registered "not a matrimonial home"

Covers my ASSets

MLF

Morgan:

I dunno... It just seems to me like the Canadians seem to be making the most outrageous statements recently... You know, like "Those to the south of us live in a fascist state" [paraphrased through laziness... ;)]... It becomes wearing after a time... If for no other reason than I _know_ you are far too intelligent to really believe that... But when I hear it enough and remembering that I live here and have done for almost 20 years it becomes an attack on me... and recently I haven't been in a mood to just let attacks on me go by... It gives me an opportunity to vent a little... where I can't do actual harm...

Bear in mind also that as much as HT and I don't see eye to eye on anything political and he does say the most freaking outrageous crap sometimes I'm probably his biggest cheerleader right now.... People I know don't get a full broadside... People I don't will... Not at all unnatural... ;)

So... be nice or I'll rip your arms off and hit you with the soggy ends... ;)

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So... be nice or I'll rip your arms off and hit you with the soggy ends...

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What happened to the leeks :eek:

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almost 20 years it becomes an attack on me...

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Never meant to offend you Mr Shark....

I still blame it all on Steven Harper ;)

MLF

Bring back the PET project...better a dead PET than a living Harper...but we could be looking at a Dick in the Bush ( administration ) suffering from Colon cancer.


Now is there any wonder why we're all mixed up?!!


Eg ;)













Sorry...someone had to say it. :p

No, that does pretty much clear it up.

lol
well what can i say, ive been to many forums, irc networks etc. way before i came here to AO.
BTW if u want ANOTHER good forum. u can go to Blacksun (http://www.bsrf.org.uk/) they use to be http://blacksun.box.sk but i guess they changed their address now, new site aswell.

I use to go there, read the forums, go in their IRC and listen in on the daily lectures, (yes they do lectures aswell, like tutorials only inter-active)

But all in all, AO is my home. ive been here since 2001. wow 5 years.. I should get a medal for this lol. I know everyone here in AO, well most of the seniors. And i talk to them on a daily basis in IRC. so its all good.

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Originally posted here by JonnyFrond

The other point is that if you look at what you have written, and throw it back into your own context if you like, you have made a "meta assumption" if you like, by assuming that they assumed you were a little kid. I have to admit, I didn't see it that way, I saw it as a way to get under your skin and upset you, like saying "hey, I stuffed your mum one" and 10 out 0f 10 guys, you did a great job!

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well i believe i interpreted, not assumed, what he said, through several references to me being a jeuvenile, or kid, or child. It seemed rather straight forward. the following were just a few i found in one post. "Then move on dear boy", "I was kicking the ass of stupid little children like you", "Trot along now and play with your little friends....".

but enough of this, its over (i think).

Hi just opened a new site http://www.net-force.co.uk if somebody could take a look and give me any feed back it would be great, thanks


Kp

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but enough of this, its over (i think).

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and the SOAP OPERA ends....


THE END

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"Then move on dear boy", "I was kicking the ass of stupid little children like you", "Trot along now and play with your little friends....".

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This is how I belittle people, and it is very effective... it has no basis on who you actually are, no one here knows you, how on earth could they base any assumption on you being young, you could be a heated pensioner with no self esteme. Go and learn about social status, and you will see what is going on here, this is psycho-social dynamics (which is my field) not about techy talk.

You might want to reply to this so you get the last word.... :D


Doctor Frond :chuck:

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Originally posted here by morganlefay
Stole this attachment from one of debs posts

Its one of my favorites

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Hmm here's the same kid but now he's a dancing champ. ;)

f2b