There are exceptions, but for the most part data is extremely sensitive.Quote:
Then I'm glad I'm not part of your world.
I am not disagreeing that home use is different and personal.
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There are exceptions, but for the most part data is extremely sensitive.Quote:
Then I'm glad I'm not part of your world.
I am not disagreeing that home use is different and personal.
Well I ask you what "www" stands for?.............. it is "World Wide Web" as it goes. A good proportion of it is made up of private or at least self-determining individuals and they all use the same internet. The two worlds are inexorably linked, and both affect eachother...............Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadClosed
The enterprise server with open relays spamming the home user, and the home user's computer recruited for a bot army to DoS the enterprise server?
Reminds me of the song:
"Your world was made up of things sweet and good.
My world could never fit it, I wish it could.
Two hearts lie in shambles and oh, how they've cried.
That's what happens when two worlds collide."
:cool::D
I understand there are two different viewpoints here. On the flip side there would be no bots because no one could connect. ;) "Cannot aquire IP address". And all my comments are referenced to Vista.Quote:
The enterprise server with open relays spamming the home user, and the home user's computer recruited for a bot army to DoS the enterprise server?
Hi there RoadClosed,
If I remember rightly you work in a high security environment? I have also done that in both the Defence and Finance sectors, so I do understand what you are saying :D
You have what I would describe as a "secure network", and it would be locked down just like you say. This is not really OS dependent as I remember it since Win NT4.0 :)
From the little I have seen of Vista (I have heard a lot more from guys testing it) it would seem much easier to implement such policies? what do you think?
My comments are very much focused on the home or small office user where the very concept of security is not well understood. "The other World" so to speak :D
In the "middle World" you have the thin client and metaserver environment?
Cheers
Good point. My initial point was Vista comes out of the box with protected mode turned on. Attached is an example of me clicking an email link on a website.Quote:
From the little I have seen of Vista (I have heard a lot more from guys testing it) it would seem much easier to implement such policies? what do you think?
In fact when I initially tried to upload these I kept getting an Access Denied error.
And as I stated you cannot even copy a folder without implicit approval or change any basic setting right out of the box. This tied with the inbound firewall defaulted to ON and Windows Defender turned On and Vista updating itself before ever booting into the installed OS ... is good enough for me. ;) In addition turning on the outbound firewall would make set up and deployment very difficult because a user would have to grant permissions to specific services. And again, not making a case not to use it, just when it should be turned on.
Oh and add to the pot, antiphishing filtering technology and pop-up blocking and Vista default installation is much more secure than XP with 3rd party firewalling technology. Add something like McAffee VirusScan with buffer monitoring to Vista and you are pretty tight. Although none of this is any good if a user is completely stupid and ignorant. "OMG click this email it's soo funny! Pass it on to 12 friends or you will die! This made me cry, click it and help a bunny, pass it on to as many people as you can! Click here to save a baby seal!!!! Click here to punch GWB!!!"
None of that will be stopped by a firewall. We often speak of security in layers, a client based outbound firewall is definitely a layer. So it's down to a philosophy and what component makes the best use of resources for your environment.
Siouxshie and the Banshees?
Good Lord! you must be almost as old as I am :p:D
LOL I didn't even notice. Love Souxsie. That's my Dark Wave channel on Slacker.COM. Slacker RULES! Its a beta service that will be launched in the US later this year. It includes a portable that will stream radio through open wi-fi and even satellite when no open wi-fi connection is available. Kind of store and go bursting the channel when in range and storing up. Heck it may launch/clone overseas too since it uses KU band and Sky is KU. Who knows. But it RULEZ.
Oh how familiar is that "Access Denied" message! Accessing files and folders in anything but the Public folder on a network PC invariably leads to such a wrangling with NTFS permissions that I usually give in and just copy the file over to Public and move it from the destination PC.
I'm afraid I turned UAC off - it was just too irritating, particularly when I was short of time.
No and no - why switch to vista? It is still brand new so it will give a bit of trouble I assume at first. I am happy with XP and won't change it as long as it keeps working like it is now!
Karl
I think Vista will be a lot better when they've rolled out a service pack. Even the first few updates were an improvement - before that, my USB keys didn't work for a start. They still don't work on the laptop, but Vista doesn't now either until Moduslink actually get round to sending out my upgrade.
Err ... we heard you the first time RoadClosed :D
As stated earlier I did have to roll one box back to XP. At home I have 3 XP boxes a Vista Ultimate with no Aero and 2 linux, both SuSE. Since I have grown to completely LOVE Vista the home Ultimate Box is going to move to a new box and XP installed in it's place. Why XP.... iTunes. Too bad PyMusique and SharpMusique kind of died.Quote:
No and no - why switch to vista? It is still brand new so it will give a bit of trouble I assume at first. I am happy with XP and won't change it as long as it keeps working like it is now!
//EDIT whoa something happened I wasn't finished with that other post but it posted? I never hit save. I must have hit some key combo.
Does ITunes not work in Vista?
Hopefully the Mods will delete those other posts. Don't know what happened.
iTunes would probably work on Vista, I haven't heard anything about it not. But that box is going to be extra and I am going to put a gob of old hard drived in her and make it a dedicated iTunes (fairtunes) box.Quote:
Does ITunes not work in Vista?
Can't you delete them yourself? I seem to have an option to delete my own posts.
Hi,
I work in a company called Indiaesecure and we use Linux (backtrack)
As far as our clients go,we are yet to see any client who use Windows Vista.
The reason mainly are
1.Huge costs
2.Take the workers some time to get used to it
3.High system requirements
Many people still work on Windows 98.
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www.indiaesecure.com
Exactly - the only people within our international, massive company who use Vista are the Microsoft campaigns. We're still using Windows NT believe it or not! And it's a similar story in other places like ours. I have a friend working for Sky tech support and their systems are just as antiquated.
Hmmm I guess I can delete them.... duh!Quote:
Can't you delete them yourself? I seem to have an option to delete my own posts.
Hi,
Initially there was some trouble but then i think that iTunes launched a new versionfor it.Quote:
Does ITunes not work in Vista?
Here is a link
docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305042
Hi Moira, is that NT 4.0?............... I used to like that OS............... I have done quite a few migrations to Win 2000 (which is actually NT 5.0 ;)) and they went pretty smoothly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moira
I also still use Win 98SE as do quite a few others I know. Educational machines for young children, stand alones for word processing, gaming, multimedia, digital photography and so on.............. software licence management, security camera control.......... clocking in systems............... :)
Yes, Windows NT 4.0 .... I'm hoping Kronos "breaks" soon, then they might upgrade it for a more up to date program with higher system requirements. The problem is all the programs we use, happily run on very few resources so they've no incentive to upgrade the operating system. However Kronos isn't supported now so the sooner it goes down the better in my opinion.
Moira, I could come there and sniff out all your NT passwords. Then they might upgrade knowing I can read their files and email. ;)
Easier than that - just get a job as a team leader and ask for the damned passwords. I didn't realise at first they were there in plain text for anyone team leader upwards to ask for. Now I make sure mine is nothing I use for anything else.
Hi Moira,
That is strange, I certainly don't recall that being the case when I was using NT 4.0. Even with Admin rights all you could do was reset someone's password.
Mind you, we did manufacture weapons of mass destruction :D
Could be the difference. I definitely know that to be true, because I inadvertently locked my machine once, forgetting I was using someone else's login and my team manager just rang up IT to ask what their password was.
I just ordered a laptop with XP pro. I'm just not in a hurry to try this newest OS. I'll try it on my next desktop, in a couple of yrs. All the bugs (or most) should be gone by then.
Basically by todays standards the passwords for NT are clear text. It takes my laptop which isn't a beast of a CPU by any means about 2 days to crack any NT password. The reason there is some precieved limitation on only being able to change the administrators passord is because most utilities just "basically" overwrite the area where the password is stored.Quote:
That is strange, I certainly don't recall that being the case when I was using NT 4.0. Even with Admin rights all you could do was reset someone's password.
If you actually crack the password, you won't know. And an account can be created remotely via LDAP or something.