Pirated Vista -- A darkness descends!

Yes dalek, I know what you mean. Actually, from what I have seen and been hearing Win 95 and Vista seem to be a similar experience :D

Actually Win 95 was released late and incomplete. Win98 was what it was intended to have been, but there were performance issues, so Win98SE is what I would consider to be the "finished article"

Quite a few people that I deal with had problems in going from Win98SE to XP. It was much less of a culture shock if you had been using Win2000/ME, particularly both. I think that is what Moira is referring to?

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I'm tired :confused: I meant to say Windows 3.1 and Windows 95.

I've been running Vista Ultimate on one of my laptops... I hated it until I finally got it to look and act like Windows 2k.

No problems since.

I also have a pirated Vista Ultimate that hasn't had any problems running on my roommate's laptop.

Not sure when this activation/antipiracy nonsense is actually going to kick in.

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I'm tired :confused: I meant to say Windows 3.1 and Windows 95.

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The original first release looked almost the same as 3.1 though.

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I'm tired :confused: I meant to say Windows 3.1 and Windows 95

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Hmmm,

Moira, you are too young to know about that :p:p

Well, I don't know much about Windows 3.1 simply because I wasn't into computers then. I first got a computer when my Dad passed on his old one, running 3.1, but it wasn't long before I upgraded to Windows 95.

Hah!

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Well, I don't know much about Windows 3.1 simply because I wasn't into computers then. I first got a computer when my Dad passed on his old one, running 3.1, but it wasn't long before I upgraded to Windows 95.

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My juvenile delinquent detector registers full scale deflection........... this is a young lady who hasn't experienced the joys of MS DOS 3.0 :eek:

Hey! I have Windoze 3.11 for Workgroups on a PI/75/64Mb :D along with Office 4.3 (Developer's edition, of course)

Muhahahahahahahahaha:lildevil:

I think my first experience with DOS was MS DOS 4 which was installed on the PC with windows 3.1. Could be wrong, but that rings a bell. It's all such a long time ago now....

Hi Moira,

If that was Windows 3.1 then it would be MS DOS 5.0 or 6.2. I have just found the floppies for a Tulip computer. They are MS DOS 4.01 and Windows 3.0, they are dated 1990.

DOS 5.0 came out in 1991 and 6.2 in 1993. Windows 3.1 came out in 1992, so it would have run on one of those versions.

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Ah right - it might have been DOS 5.0 then. It was a long time ago now and I didn't use it for very long.

Mine was in like 1999 or 2000, it was PC-DOS 6.2 (I think that was the exact version, still have the floppies lol).

PC DOS? IBM?

I seem to remember that was at 6.3 when MS DOS was at 6.22. Sort of one upmanship as MS had already released a 6.2

I have recently obtained a copy of Caldera DOS. Can't seem to find those millions of lines of Linux code though:lildevil:

LOL yea, for some reason I don't think it's in there.

mate, why bother with vista anyway? Get Slack :-)

I need Vista to use visual studio for visual basic.net work. OK I could use XP :) but not Slack.

Well, I too had heard of this news a lot ago. But you know what, I had used Vista and had been been using it using the OEM crack which the MS WGA team claims to be pretty aware of and had used it till very recend days untill I turned to Linux. And yes, I did not get any notificaations and no black screens (of death!)

Yes I used a pirated copy just to see what all Vista has to offer
. I had to sadly turn it down to be one of my primary future Oses (at least as of now). I do not know how those people keep the sofwtare running even after complining so much. Probably it is just because they have paid for the software!???

Anyway I don't think that there are no one among the pirates to find that mechanism and cheat MS once again.

PS: I wonder why no-one talks about deactiving a Linux @-) ;) !!

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I do not know how those people keep the sofwtare running even after complining so much. Probably it is just because they have paid for the software!???

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Yes, they are probably totally unreasonable people like me. When I pay $200+ for an operating system, I expect it to work :D

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PS: I wonder why no-one talks about deactiving a Linux @-) !!

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Because you generally just save, wipe, and reinstall without having to worry about service packs and security patches. Also, linux doesn't have complex licencing arrangements that it attempts to police when doing an install?

The main problem I come across is with multiple boots and GRUB/LiLo vs NTLDR.

My preferred approach is a separate drive (external with a laptop), but I am rather oldfashioned :D

My main problem with Linux (this is not a complaint, as that would be grossly unfair) is that people buy stuff that is basically Windows specific, and wonder why it won't work.

I do sympathise............. after all, I am totally p1$$ed off that I cannot get VMS to run on my Nokia mobile 'phone :fpissed:

Cheers,

Well yes, My friends were all excited when one from our group got a DX 10 graphics card with 2 GB RAM and GENUINE Windows Vista HOME PREMIUM. He got it just for games! Later on the guy came to me. I was on my SLED then (with the XGL effects on). He could not resist to ask if those effects worked on his system? I told it was Linux. He wanted me to install it on his system. I had no words to say why it shouldn't be done/tried out!

Now as far as Vista is concerned, I am once again pissed off by my friend's requests to seeach for a "VISTA COMPATIBLE" sofwtare which worked fine with XP on their systems. I dunno why it is that "when MS does something good, it is not secure and when it is secure, it is just not usable"

Yes,

I wonder if I might not be leading a bright young man astray, with my "middle aged cynicism" :D

Personally I have no loyalties........ other than to friends...........

An operating system or an application is just that; IMHO..... as good as it's last installation.

I will probably make the leap into Vista quite shortly. I will build a custom box for it. That would be "fair play" as I see things :)

I have seen so many attempted migrations from 98SE to ME, ME to XP and so on, to have my cynical attitude. I will retain my view that if you buy the right equipment for the operating system; it bloody well should work?

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Well, yes that was my point too. people do buy things for vista to work upon and complin that Linux crashes!

You know I've been using Linux for .... well a while, and the only time I ever say it actually crash was when I took out a floppy and forgot about it and tried to use it. Even then the system didn't crash, I just saw a dump and was amazed I actually got the thing to crash.

Getting apps to crash si easy but getting Linux to crash takes real talent.

One of my machines was up for 200 days straight and I was using it as a DESKTOP, KDE loaded, a P3 733 MHz 384 MBs RAM, burning CDs, using it for everything, all patches installed including Kernel (You don't have to reboot unless you want to actually USE the new Kernel) and I would open like 30 tabs in Firefox daily to check stuff, and didn't have a problem other than the occasional firefox crash.

And even when firefox got screwed up bad enough rm -rf /home/gore/.mozilla took care of that, launched it again and all was well.

In other words, I didn't ever need a reboot, maybe just an application refreshed once in a while.

I will say this though, I did once in a while refresh X by doing ALT+CTL+Backspace just to refresh it. But in almost a year of uptime, the machine not once crashed.

200 days? Do you sleep ? and hey, I just pressed ALT + CTRL + BCKSPACE and it logged me out (actually it did not properly log out, just closed all my processes at once and threw me at the GUI login window).

Does refreshing X makes you log out, or is it an unwanted behavior?

No patches required a reboot?

I don't think he misses sleep jockey0109. He falls into this category of people who leave their computers on while they go on two week holidays even, because they can't bear to see if anyone in an irc channel talks about them and they're trying to get into pole position in the tor server uptime stats.

While I might leave my PC on overnight, I don't honestly see the point in wasting electricity and being so environment unfriendly as to leave it on for weeks/months at a time I'm not even there.

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No patches required a reboot?

I don't think he misses sleep jockey0109. He falls into this category of people who leave their computers on while they go on two week holidays even, because they can't bear to see if anyone in an irc channel talks about them and they're trying to get into pole position in the tor server uptime stats.

While I might leave my PC on overnight, I don't honestly see the point in wasting electricity and being so environment unfriendly as to leave it on for weeks/months at a time I'm not even there.

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I don't go on Holiday, I used it every day, and I wasn't on IRC very often as I have IM apps too so that wasn't it, and I didn't ever upload my uptime stats other than a screen shot because some people were whining about stability of the version of SUSE I was using at the time on a mailing list, so I took that pic and showed it, and told what I did each day with the machine which was in other words a nicer way of saying to them to shut up as it was obviously stable.

And people talk about me on IRC all the time from what I hear, I wouldn't know, I only leave IRSSI installed because it's cool and once in a while I hop on to say hi.

So none of those reason apply to me in a serious manner, which I don't think you made that post in ;)

The electric part, well, you weren't here during the times this was going on and on, but we used to have these things called trolls, and I would be awake some days from like 7 AM to 12 PM the next day, sleep 10 hours, wake up at 10 PM, be up all night... So turning the machine off really wasn't needed, I would be using it at any given time during the week so leaving it on was easier.

And also while I was asleep, the machine was running what I told it to run when it was idle for more than an hour like scripts I had set to try and crack my password file to make sure it was secure, to a complete port scan, check /tmp and /etc to see if anyone was trying to backdoor me and watch file integrity. Then it would email all of the results to the root account, and my ISP account so I could look at it and make sure the box was locked down properly.

And also, I'd from time to time set up a web or FTP server on it and let people download stuff from me while I slept.

As for patches and rebooting, as I said the only ones you need to reboot for are Kernel patches and even then, you only need to reboot to use a NEW Kernel, patches themselves, you can restart parts of the Kernel and go on without rebooting after even a Kernel patch. So no, no patches needed me to reboot it.

great gore! I never thought a computer could be used that way and that usabliy! Now that you have told me, I can try that too, but me porr chap I do not have 24 hours electricity dood! This sucks the day big!

Anyway what about that X windows server? Does that behavior of refreshing X means that the whole X window system will restart (or better call it reste as the normal procedure of shutting the X off was not followed)!

Now, I got something interesting up this morning. I was just testing one of the teqniques described by phishphreek (i hope you know hin ;) ). So I used th trick of testing Windows XP to run a particular comand under SYSTEM account priviledges. So, I was jus tryuing to get to the trminal no 1 of my Linux (tty1). I pressed [Alt]+[Ctrl]+[f1] and after doing something there, i just wanted to go back to the GUI and by mistake I pressed the f8 button with alt and ctrl down. That showed me the VMWARE terminal where Windows XP was running.

SO VMware runs the first VM on that terminal? Or am I wrong.

PS: I am sorry, I thought you were another computer and just did not need any sleep (as many don't)! ;)

ALT CTRL Backspace kills X and makes it restart basically refreshing the server itself. In other words if it's starting to use up resources or getting slow, that generally does the trick.

Has nobody else tried running programs in win 3.11 in winXPpro? I have an old harddrive with win3.11 installed, and I put this as slave, and my winXPpro drive as master in my old desktop. Booted up, logged in, and found that I could run Doom, heresy, and most of the other games on the win3.11 with WinXPPro.


I also found some...personal love letters written by a female in an old win3.11 word processor program. I couldn't run the program itself, but I could open the letters in notepad. Interesting.

I seem to recall MS saying they had a team of 200 people working on XP compatibility.

It made sense at the time as they were trying to get people to migrate from the DOS compatible consumer editions of Windows (98 & ME).

Windows 2000 was much less friendly as it was not really intended for games playing ;)

I wonder if anyone has tried these games with Vista?