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oh, and the guilty ones are those with the guns that are defending bin Laden. They don't have to be soldiers, they don't have to be civilians. The lines have gotten very fuzzy over the last twenty years or so; but they are a self-selected group that has chosen to join a movement that brings a very real threat to each and every one of us, and they must be stopped.

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Those with guns that are defending Bin Laden are the guilty ones? I guess that makes those with guns that are defending America the guilty ones in THEIR eyes. That explains why they focused on civilian targets, doesn't it? It's not for us to judge who's guilty here: those who defend their superpower position by all means (bombing civilian targets, isolating countries what results in even more civilian casualties, just because a friendly country was invaded, or because they just wanted to show they're still a superpower), or those who fight against that (by, indeed, flying airplanes into civilian targets)? When an American feels threatened, he'll do anything to take that threat away. When a muslim feels threatened, he'll do anything to take that threat away. Those responsible for the attacks, however, are willing to give their live to take away such threats. And that is something more threatening than any bomb.

And for those in favor of military action: "Every new orphan is a potential terrorist."(Editor of America Magazine )

When I grow up I wanna be a terrorist.

First and foremost I think that it is important to understand that the recent attacks were not the actions of muslims. They were the actions of terrorists. Those terrorists may have been muslims, and some may assert that they were fighting a holy war, but to the best of my understanding they do not speak for Islam.

With that said, what I'd really like to hear (rather than a semantic argument with little substance) is what those reading this forum, especially those who are not US citizens, feel should be done here. As an American, I have a pretty good feeling for how US citizens feel, but I'd really like to know how the international community sees this situation.

What would be an appropriate response?

Where do we draw the line between "defending the safety of the civilized world" and "killing religious activists"?

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Originally posted by Eating_Scarlett
When I grow up I wanna be a terrorist.

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"Don't worry dear, you're already very terrifying. But you need to go brush your teeth now! The Barbie toothpaste or the Mega Man toothpaste?"

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Originally posted by Eating_Scarlett
When I grow up I wanna be a terrorist.

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What a dumb BITCH!!
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At age 21 and she makes comments like that???
"THE STUPIDITY IN TODAY'S YOUTH":confused:

Well......I don't really no what to say, except that I am for military action on the part of the US. I believe that some actions should be met with violence. The difference between me saying this and anyone else on this duscussion board is that I will be fighting. After the completion of diving school I am under review for SEAL training(I have a knee that has given me problems once or twice so I am unsure as to whether or not I will be accepted), and am already an Army Ranger.What happend in New York was a very terrible thing and someone has to answer for it. Also, about the surgical strikes, I don't think any of you understand how difficult that really is. Especially with an organization the size of Ben Ladens.

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Well......I don't really no what to say, except that I am for military action on the part of the US. I believe that some actions should be met with violence. The difference between me saying this and anyone else on this duscussion board is that I will be fighting. After the completion of diving school I am under review for SEAL training(I have a knee that has given me problems once or twice so I am unsure as to whether or not I will be accepted), and am already an Army Ranger.What happend in New York was a very terrible thing and someone has to answer for it. Also, about the surgical strikes, I don't think any of you understand how difficult that really is. Especially with an organization the size of Ben Ladens.

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I'm not going to start another discussion here (I know I probably will), but I have a few comments. About the violent actions you (and cowboy Bush - 'wanted: dead or alive?' HAHA) are proposing: I hope you guys know what you're up against: an army, financed by American tax money, that is. In the late 70's, early 80's, the CIA gave people like Bin Laden millions of American tax dollars to help them fight the 'evil commie' Russians. 'Operation Clean Hands' or something. Before you guys start denying this: I got it from official CIA reports. And Lascaux, one question: I have to admit I don't know anything about surgical strikes (except for the stuff I learned from Tanya, that cute little Command & Conquer character), but Bin Ladens organisation hardly has 2000 'active members'. Shouldn't be that hard, I think, or will it? (This is only a question!!!)

Negative, where are the documents that you've referenced? I'm sure that you're correct, but I'm genuinly interested in where I can get more info on this and any other operations that have been made public.

Here's some general background on bin Laden:
Washington Post , stating 'The organization may have several hundred to several thousand members. It draws from a pool of more than 50.000 Afghan war veterans and other radical Muslims.'

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The Afghan jihad against the Soviet army was backed with American dollars and had the blessing of the governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

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Prime suspect in the New York and Washington terrorists attacks, branded by the FBI as an "international terrorist" for his role in the African US embassy bombings, Saudi born Osama bin Laden was recruited during the Soviet-Afghan war "ironically under the auspices of the CIA, to fight Soviet invaders". (Hugh Davies, International: `Informers' point the finger at bin Laden; Washington on alert for suicide bombers, The Daily Telegraph, London, 24 August 1998.)

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Hence the word 'ironically'.

Man, I could go on like this forever. Give me some time and I'll get you the official CIA funding reports.



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First, whoever said they wanted to be a terrorist when they grow up (I'm too tired to check again and see who it was) is a rather sick person. And dumb to. Even if you were going to become a terrorist, would you want to tell everyone about it? Terrorists are sorry individuals.

Next, I've seen a lot of people trying to blame the attacks on US diplomacy. Even if we did make some mistakes, does that mean that the attack was right? Innocent people died for some psycho's "god". I'm going to try to not get into another religious discussion, but does anyone know of a god who tells people to go out and kill innocents? Is that how you gain converts to a religion?

There have been numerous times when the USA has gone to the aid of other countries who needed help. But no one else helped us. Usually, we've been able to solve problems on our own. But now, we do need outside support for a war not just on Afghanistan (and Iraq, from what I hear), but on terrorism in general. This is a completely different kind of warfare. And we need all the support we can get. Several of my friends have already been deployed overseas, and I might not ever see them again.

This attack was designed to bring America to chaos. But it has done just the opposite; it brought us, as Americans, closer together. In the past week, I have seen more American flags being proudly displayed than ever before in my life.

Yeah, we've made mistakes in the past; everyone has. But why hold that against us now? I don't necessarily agree with everything my country has done/is doing, but I completely support it, because I believe that America is among the greatest countries on Earth.

Good nite, and God Bless America