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I just avoid calling myself either a hacker or a cracker since some people are bound to interpret what you say wrongly either way. So if they ask, "Are you a hacker?" I usually just say, "Well, I'm into programming and network security". I reckon it just eliminates a lot of the bullshit this way.
Best answer I've heard all day.Quote:
Originally posted by smirc
I just avoid calling myself either a hacker or a cracker since some people are bound to interpret what you say wrongly either way. So if they ask, "Are you a hacker?" I usually just say, "Well, I'm into programming and network security". I reckon it just eliminates a lot of the bullshit this way.
programming and hacking are academic IMHO,if you know programming it isn't at all hard to learn how to hack.
I like your retort better can I use it ?.
CrazyBitch <-------- thats me.
First of all,I do know what I'm talking about.AO does help the FBI catch and snitch on hackers/crackersQuote:
Originally posted by KorpDeath
You are really, really naive. But lucky for us you're only a danger to yourself.
It'd be in your best interest not to have such a bold attitude when you know so little.
but that's just my 2 cents.
And I seriously doubt that JP gets paid for his "work" with the FBI,I dont think you can be a partime employee.
And like I said and I will again incase your deaf " TELLING ON PEOPLE IS SNITCHING AND NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF"did you get it now ?. As for me being Bold,I am very Bold,Bolder than you think.
I already know that your not to bright by making statements like "But lucky for us you"re only a danger to yourself" that tells me that your in the habit of judgeing people without knowing a thing about them,thats a MAJOR character flaw you shoud really work on cause its really dangerous.
You should never underestimate anyone unless you know them 100% and maybe not even then.
I'm glad we have people like you in the world because it keeps my pockets full of $$$$$.
Crimina1
It seems to me that you're being judged on your confrontational and pompous attitude, but that's just my humble opinion. =)Quote:
I already know that your not to bright by making statements like "But lucky for us you"re only a danger to yourself" that tells me that your in the habit of judgeing people without knowing a thing about them
lol first of all.. i think we should not fear the FBI but be AWARE of them.. i mean like.. i know some of u here think you are gods and the govt are just like little toy soldiers dat u can play around wid.. well think again..
what if u get caught and get in jail for 3 years? i know what u'll say.. "big deal" well big deal this.. for 3 yrs u'll be locked up in a cage.. in there you are "nothing" not a hacker not a gangster nothing at all.. but juz fresh meat.. new toy for inmates to play wid...
3 yrs wasted in jail.. locked up when u could have done something more... 3yrs might not seem much but i know some of u cant even stand to be grounded for 1 week.. well 1week in jail is worse dan being grounded for 1 week..
i can see it now.. God-like cracker/hacker in jail crying like a baby lookin for mommy coz he/she is tired of bein ****ed up da arse...
like i said.. a hacker knows he/she is on a higher level but knows that great powers comes wid great responsibilities..
crackers think they are gods and can do anything they want...
there is a fine line between being brave and stupid.. and crackers always cross that line and become stupid..
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Originally posted by Crimina1
I really dont care what kind of "site" this is and I dont give 1 single solitary **** who is watching me because it doesn't matter. As for the FBI,ooh I'm soooo scared of a bunch of piss *******s in suits.wow they can put you in prison, the prisons in the u.s.a are more like country clubs.
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Ask someone who's done time if they wanna go back....LOL. The topic of conversation that the younger generation (not that I'm THAT old!) bring up at AO constantly amazes me....I hope this whole Hacker/Cracker debate doesn't take off. I've seen the forums at NEWORDER filled with this topic and there's never a clear cut final answer at the end....
I hate to have to say this, but you honestly have no clue what you're saying(nothing but bullshit). The reason no one thinks you're a danger to anyone but yourself is due to the way you try to act(like a three year old). I can tell alot about someone just by their post, and I can tell exactly what you are(lame script kiddie, aka KIDDIOT).
Here's an idea. Let's take a quick little trip to ZingLand. It's a happy place. You are the CEO of a major corporation. You have money, power, prestige, respect, oh yeah, and money. But very limited computing skills(but then again, how's that last part different from now?). Anyway, your customers do business with your company online. The system is very secure, and everyone is convinced that it's perfect. But then, the unthinkable happens. A cracker (or black hat hacker) gains illegitimate access to the server. He views billing information for your customers. He subscribes to thousands of pr0n sites using "his" new credit card numbers. Your customers are not very happy about that. Would you be?
So, to help calm their fears (and hopefully keep their business), you let them all know that you are working on "h4><0ring 7h3 h4><0r'z b0x" and will get him back for it. So what? That doesn't help them? You can't bring the cracker to justice just by momentarily crashing his machine. But the FBI can. Oh, and by crashing his machine, you made the cracker mad. So he unleashes another attack on your corporation. And again. And again. And again. Your corporation soon loses all its business, and is forced to file for bankruptcy. All because you had to be "1337" and fight back, not counting on others to fight back for you.
***ALTERNATE ENDING***
So, to help calm your customers' fears, you tell them that you have done a few preliminary investigations within your own server (viewing logs and such) and have turned the information over to the FBI. After a brief search, the FBI tracks down the cracker, and tosses him in the slammer for a while, to spend some quality time with his new cellmate, Bubba. Of course, this time consists of repeatedly being "violated" in a most unnatural fashion. Oh yeah, and he has to pay your company twice what he stole from his little exploit, which you then distribute accordingly to your customers. The cracker eventually gets off early for good behavior, and realizes that "Hey! I can do better than this!". So he gets hired on to various companies as a systems security engineer or something like that. He realized the folly of his ways, and, in the end, everyone won, because your customers respected your decision, the cracker reformed and began to work for good, and your company saved face.
Oh, and about the FBI being unable to do anything (or something similar to that which I believe you said): The FBI scares the crap out of me. They know more about me than I want to know that they know... But I'm not worried. I'm white hat. I'm a good guy. I'm a true hacker, not some badass cracker. I used to be a cracker, and the FBI came so incredibly close to busting me. But I got a second chance. Someone with your attitude will probably not be so lucky. Beware of the FBI. They have so many ways of gathering information. Oh, and that "hot chick" you were talking to on Instant Messenger earlier? Yeah, "she" is a fed. He's been watching you for some time. Sure, he can talk the talk and all... you would just die if you saw the log he has of those naughty sites you've been viewing.
It doesn't matter if JP gets paid for helping the Feds. As you grow up (older than the thirteen you are now), you will realize that there IS more to this life than money. When you help someone, you get a really cool feeling... a very good feeling. The same happens when you could do something wrong, but you choose to do the right thing. Fighting back, and sinking down to the level of a cracker or black hat hacker, is the wrong choice. Helping them be caught, LEGALLY, is the right one, and is always so much more rewarding in the end. You can't brag to a cop about "Hey d00d! I just h4><0r3d this punks box cause he pissed me 0ff!" But it always looks good to say "Yeah, back in tenth grade, I helped out the FBI. They were looking for this one particular cracker, and I helped bring him to justice."
I could go on forever on this subject, but I think you've gotten enough. But if I view more ignorance on your part, I will not hesitate to act.
*sigh* It's people like you that make me want to stop visiting the forums altogether. <sappy harp music>I remember back in the Stone Age when there were no threads like this one...</music>
*sniff* I miss the old AntiOnline...
--PhirePhreak
Example: Kevin. I have watched interviews with him in which he says, "the judge at the time actually believed that I could make one phone call and launch nuclear weapons ... ... I was shackled and handcuffed". <sigh> Also - raids all over in the Cap'n Krunch era of things.Quote:
we (the hackers, or actually the hackers from about the 70ties and 80ties) was tired of been mistaken for criminals (just like us) so they invented the word cracker just so the media had something to call the computer criminals instead of hackers...
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yea... Kevin is a perfect example of how dumb the judges can be. But don't forget that Kevin did break the law and therefor he is a cracker... but I still feel sorry for the guy - damn he had to put up with a lot of lame ass ****...Quote:
Originally posted by nietzsche
Example: Kevin. I have watched interviews with him in which he says, "the judge at the time actually believed that I could make one phone call and launch nuclear weapons ... ... I was shackled and handcuffed". <sigh> Also - raids all over in the Cap'n Krunch era of things.
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As is mine !Quote:
Originally posted by smirc
It seems to me that you're being judged on your confrontational and pompous attitude, but that's just my humble opinion. =)
crimina1