Christianity

I dislike these threads, because I'm a Christian. I believe in God. I believe in the afterlife. I believe Jesus was God's son. I believe God created the universe. And you know what? I don't have a single reason too. This thread, and scientific logic just about prove that there is no God. But that doesn't stop me. Nope, I STILL believe in God, and Christianity.

Really. I'm serious.

But let me be more specific. I also think that a lot of people abuse God's name. Like the Catholics in the Inquisition, and those in just about every Holy War. I also think that the Bible should not be interpreted literally. A lot of the stories in it are just there to prove one point. For example, there's a parable about a prostitute who pesters an unjust judge so hard and for so long that he forgives her. This is just to prove that God will forgive anyone, not that he is unjust.

And I don't really like church. It's too structured. People become too obsessed with the rules not with actual belief in God.

Then for Adam and Eve. Somebody said that it was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Not just knowledge. IMO, God likes knowledge, and will still let you into heaven if you learn a lot and if you follow Satan for a while. Satan just gets pissed if you follow God.

There's also a thing about Christianity that non-christians and most christians don't realize. You don't have to follow the rules! You can eat whatever you want when you want. Rules are just designed to give individuals power. Pharisees in the bible made rules and forgot about God. They were more into following rules than God. No matter what you do, you can still get to heaven. You can be a murderer and get to heaven. And is that unfair? Here, on earth, it seems like it is. Why should a bad guy get to heaven when you've lived your life perfectly. Well...I don't know...but I'm willing to accept it.

I could go onto other points if anybody wants me to, or if I get the urge, but I'm tired so I'll finish this up.

A. How did the Universe originate? If it was originally nothing then what made it into something. You'd have to add something intangible, namely, God.

B. This is what Christianity does for me, personally, in as short a shpiel as possible. I'm living with a hope that I'll get eternal life and that God cares about me. Now there are two possibilities here: 1. My hope comes true and I go to heaven. Yay! 2. There is no God, and when I die I become nothing, or am reincarnated. But of course, if this is true, I won't know it. I'll still have had my hope...which many people don't, and which makes me feel good inside and I'll never know God doesn't exist. Now that is a win win situation!

Please, add more points. This kind of discussion is exactly what I wanted.

hmmm "stflook"........let me tell u one thing ...this whole idea really sucks ......you know why ....bcoz.....that the reason to all the problems in this world .......AND COULDU TELL ME WHO DID THIS ........IT WAS US HUMAN BEINGS .............who created christainity ,islam,judaism,and all the religions in this world ..it was us my friend .....we people did it.....u qouted about jesus.....i presume u have read the bible well ........couldu qoute me one verse....where jesus .....tell us to follow chritainity .......YES..HE ASKED US to BELIVE IN GOD .......he didnt ask us to follow .....he asked us to belive in the almighty ......
My friend ...i dont belive in religion .....i hate the whole concept...i am neither an aethist .....i belive in GOD...i believe in that FORCE THAT BROUGHT ABOUT THE WHOLE UNIVERSE ....IF u belive in the Newtons law ......u know that ....for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction........then u would agree with me when i say ...for the bigbang to
occur there has to be something makin it posssible .........
Ok now to come to ur ur doubts the creation ........ have u for one moment thought about ...who the author of the BIBLE is?
let me tell u my friend ...BIBLE was written by lots of people .........SO u could expects errors
to happen......we are just humans my friend ....we do make errors.....
LET ME SUM UP EVERTHING I JUST SAID ......u said christainity was blind faith ......tellme one religion which is not blind faith .......these are things u cant argue ...ther are lots of unanswerd questions ..whether GOD exist...why is being so cruel ...i cant answer neither can u !!!...its tough to be a human being ......but what the heck ......THINK !!!! THATS WHAT MAKES US HUMAN BEINGS .......THINK AND U WILL HAVE THE ANSWER .....THINK WHY YOU ARE HERE NOW .........B'COZ ...U TRY TO THINK DIFFERENT .......

First, the fact that humans created religion is exactly why I doubt it. History has taught us that humans come up with gods in order to explain what they can't otherwise. I know all the religions promote blind faith, but Christianity seems to have produced the most uptight, in-your-face, save your soul, control every aspect of your life idiots I have ever seen. I'm not down on Chrisitanity, or any other religion. I'm not even down on people who want to follow Christianity. I AM down on those who try to force all the rules of Christianity on me, either with or without the beliefs that go with it.

As far as people writing the Bible, I understand that there can be errors made in both writing and translation. The only problem with this argument is that I never brought it up. I'm arguing against Christianity and what it stands for as a whole. I'm not doing a whole lot of nitpicking here.

About the Big Bang, it's not theorized to be the beginning of everything. It's theorized to be the beginning of the universe as we know it. It's theorized that the Big Bang created the universe as we know it (which seems to be expanding from a common point, supporting the theory of an explosion). It's also theorized that the universe will shrink back upon itself, and another Big Bang will occour.


I'm not sure if I got everything you posted. It was very hard to read.

Congratulations centaur. Possibly, the most annoying post I have ever read in my life! Well Done! :)

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Originally posted here by centaur
hmmm "stflook"........let me tell u one thing ...this whole idea really sucks ......you know why ....bcoz.....that the reason to all the problems in this world .......AND COULDU TELL ME WHO DID THIS ........IT WAS US HUMAN BEINGS .............who created christainity ,islam,judaism,and all the religions in this world ..it was us my friend .....we people did it.....u qouted about jesus.....i presume u have read the bible well ........couldu qoute me one verse....where jesus .....tell us to follow chritainity .......YES..HE ASKED US to BELIVE IN GOD .......he didnt ask us to follow .....he asked us to belive in the almighty ......

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ok.

jethro - Erm, St Jethro of the flamers. Now you must do something fantastic. After that someone will write the Pope on your behalf and you're all set. :D

Stflook - A good thoughtful post.

Someone who thinks before they write, imagine if more AOers were to do that.

Can you further expound your questioning basis with supporting rationale about why you find some of the Christian rules disagreeable. The thread so far has no morons trying to flame anyone. :)

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Originally posted by: Alcatraz
I could go onto other points if anybody wants me to, or if I get the urge, but I'm tired so I'll finish this up.

A. How did the Universe originate? If it was originally nothing then what made it into something. You'd have to add something intangible, namely, God.

B. This is what Christianity does for me, personally, in as short a shpiel as possible. I'm living with a hope that I'll get eternal life and that God cares about me. Now there are two possibilities here: 1. My hope comes true and I go to heaven. Yay! 2. There is no God, and when I die I become nothing, or am reincarnated. But of course, if this is true, I won't know it. I'll still have had my hope...which many people don't, and which makes me feel good inside and I'll never know God doesn't exist. Now that is a win win situation!

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Science and Christianity arn't that far apart dear friend. You say there couldn't be nothing, for something had to create that other something, namly the Earth, sun, stars, ect - your intangible is God. Now, science's intangible (lets say), is the Big Bang, for if it were true, it too would have created the Earth, sun, stars, ect. You and me are running the same race, and were both in first place...


You talk about hope in God, and how it makes you feel good, or better 'inside'. Now, what makes you think that Agnostics or Athiests don't have hope? We do certainly! We have hope in friends, in family, in the future...and these things are the bare essentials, that even some Christians don't have!, for they are to caught up in giving all their hope to a God, that may or may not be their. Yet your friends, good or bad, will always stay. Hope can also be another intangible for the creation of life if you look at it 'correctly'. Religion is broad... If there is a god, I doubt he cares what religion you are, who you belive in, who you pray too, who you seek rapture with... As long as you respect your fellow mate, and care about everybody, not just yourself...

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Science and Christianity arn't that far apart dear friend. You say there couldn't be nothing, for something had to create that other something, namly the Earth, sun, stars, ect - your intangible is God. Now, science's intangible (lets say), is the Big Bang, for if it were true, it too would have created the Earth, sun, stars, ect. You and me are running the same race, and were both in first place.

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OK, this argument won't help me, but I've always been of the opinion that science requires that something come from something. If nothing was there in the first place, then what caused the big bang?

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You talk about hope in God, and how it makes you feel good, or better 'inside'. Now, what makes you think that Agnostics or Athiests don't have hope? We do certainly! We have hope in friends, in family, in the future...and these things are the bare essentials, that even some Christians don't have!, for they are to caught up in giving all their hope to a God, that may or may not be their. Yet your friends, good or bad, will always stay. Hope can also be another intangible for the creation of life if you look at it 'correctly'.

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I have the same hopes as you as well, family, friends, future, success, happiness...all that. But I also have hope in God. I mean, what do you think will happen to you when you die?

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Religion is broad... If there is a god, I doubt he cares what religion you are, who you belive in, who you pray too, who you seek rapture with... As long as you respect your fellow mate, and care about everybody, not just yourself...

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That's also true, religion doesn't matter that much. But if you want a God you should probably have a religion and Judaism and Islam are two structured. Not eating pork? Praying to Mecca? Those are rules employed by humans, not something that will help your belief in God.

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stflook

Christianity seems to have produced the most uptight, in-your-face, save your soul, control every aspect of your life idiots I have ever seen.

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This is especially true of Catholics and other denominations who emphasize rules. I don't believe Christianity is supposed to be uptight or in-your-face or controlling. People just added that so that they could gain power. Not once did Jesus ever force a person to believe in God. It's all based on faith and it has been said in the Bible that your sins will be forgiven...meaning you break control, you screw up, you still get to heaven.

I never blamed this on Christianity itself. Christianity does suggest, however, that you should try to persuade people of other religions to believe in Christianity. It's just that people took this to such a ridiculous extent that they forgot what their cause was, and what they were doing was far worse than not believing in God.

Then there's the Jehova's witnesses....
Am I the only person that's annoyed to death by them? Going door to door trying to push their beliefs on you....AAAUGH!! Next time I see one of them moving down my neighborhood, I'm going answer the door completely naked, with a porno flick playing in the background, tell them my girlfriend is waiting for me, and I'm going to give them each a condom. THAT should mess with their heads.....

Hahaha!! They'd probably convert to some other religion, if you did that...

But yes, Christianity does suggest trying to get other people to believe in the religion...except, that's kind of messed up. People believe what they want to believe. Nobody should be forced to do anything. All a person should do is point out the good and bad points of an issue and leave it at that.

But why I'm still talking? This is all basically what you said...