Christianity -- Revisited

Are all third person account necessarily inaccurate? How would you prove such an assertion? Also, you listed some incidents from the New Testament that you think are exaggerations or inaccurate. How do you know? How can you say "all" third person accounts are full of exaggerations and inaccuracies? "All" certainly takes in a lot of terriotory. Does that mean in the history of the world there has never been one third person statement that was accurate in all details? Isn't it possible that there is one that is? Also, you still haven't given any evidence that the New Testament is indeed full of exaggerations and inaccurate statements. You have only stated your opinion. You really haven't given any specific evidence to support it.

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Another *brilliant* idea here. It seems that too many people are just concerned with the probability I gave about the prophecies. That's not really important. The point is that we can all agree (I hope) that the chances of all 80+ prophecies and 270+ ramifications would come true in one single man are extremely low. Especially when you look at the nature of these prophecies (be patient... it's a VERY long list, and I'm quoting these from the King James Version, so you might understand the relations easier reading from the New International Version):

Concerning His Birth:
Isaiah 7:14 predicts the virgin birth: "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel." Matthew 1 answers with "She was found with child of the Holy Spirit. . . . Then Joseph . . . did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus." (or, "Joseph . . . had no union with her until she gave birth to a son.")

Psalm 2:7 says that the Messiah will be the Son of God: "I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, 'You are My Son, today I have begotten You." Matthew 3:17 says "And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, 'This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Way back in Genesis 22:18, it says that the Messiah will be a descendant of Abraham: "In your [Abraham's] seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice." Matthew 1:1 lists the genealogy of Jesus: "The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham."

Also, a descendant of Isaac: "But God said to Abraham . . . in Isaac your seed shall be called." (Genesis 21:12) Luke 3:23,34 replies "Jesus, . . . the son of Isaac."

Also, a descendant of Jacob: "I see him, but now now; I behold Him, but not near; A Star shall come out of Jacob, A scepter shall rise out of Israel, And batter the brow of Moab, And destroy all the sons of tumult." (Numbers 24:17) Also fulfilled in Luke 3:23, 34: "Jesus, . . . the son of Jacob."

The Messiah will be of the tribe of Judah: "The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people." (Genesis 49:10) Again, Luke 3:23, 34 says "Jesus, . . . the son of Judah."

Also, of the family line of Jesse: "There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse, And a Branch shall grow out of his roots." (Isaiah 11:1) Citing Luke 3 again, "Jesus, . . . the son of Jesse."

From the house of David: "'Behold, the days are coming,' says the Lord, 'That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; A king shall reign and prosper, and execute judgment and righteousness in the land." (Jeremiah 23:5) Again, Luke 3: "Jesus, . . . the son of David. . . ."

Micah 5:2 says, "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the Thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting." Matthew 2:1 says, "Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea."

The young Messiah would be presented with gifts: "The kings of Tarshish and of the isles will bring presents; the kings of Sheba and Seba will offer gifts." (Psalm 72:10) Matthew 2:1, 11 answers this prophecy: "Wise men from the East came to Jerusalem . . . and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him."

Even King Herod's decision to kill all the male children to try to eliminate the Messiah was predicted in Jeremiah 31:15 when it says, "Thus says the Lord: 'A voice was heard in Ramah, Lamentation and bitter weeping, Rachel weeping for her children, Refusing to be comforted for her Children, Because they are no more." Matthew 2:16 says "Then Herod, when he saw that he was deceived by the wise men, was exceedingly angry; and he sent forth and put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the wise men."

Concerning His Nature:
Pay attention to the end of Micah 5:2 (". . . . Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting.") Colossians 1:17 says, "And He is before [or, has existed prior to] all things, and in Him all things consist."

The Messiah would be called Lord: "The Lord said to my Lord, 'Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool." (Psalm110:1) Answered in Luke 2:11 ("For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.") and in Matthew 22:43-45 ("He said to them, 'How then does David in the Spirit call Him "Lord,"saying: "The Lord sait to my Lord, 'Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool'"? If David then calls Him "Lord," how is He his Son?").

It was predicted in Isaiah 7:14 ("Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.") that He will be called Immanuel, meaning "God with Us". Matthew 1:23 answers with "'Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,' which is translated, 'God with us.'"

He would be a prophet, according to Deuteronomy 18:18 ("I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him."). This was fulfilled in Matther 21:11 ("So the multitudes said, 'This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee.'").

He would be a priest, as prophesied in Psalm 110:4 ("The Lord has sworn and will not relent, 'You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek."). Answered in Hebrews 3:1 ("Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus.") and also in Hebrews 5:5, 6 ("So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become a High Priest, but it was He who said to Him, 'You are My Son, today I have begotten You.' As he also says in another place, 'You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.").

He would be a judge, as said in Isaiah 33:22 ("For the Lord is our Judge, the Lord is our Lawgiver, the Lord is our King; He will Save us."). Answered in John 5:30 ("I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.").

He would be called a king, according to Psalm 2:6 ("Yet I have set My King on My holy hill of Zion."). And in Matthew 27:37, "they put up over His head the accusation written against Him: THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS."

He would receive a special annointing of the Holy Spirit, as said in Isaiah 11:2 ("The Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord."). He received that special annointing in Matthew 3:16, 17 ("When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly, a voice came from heaven, saying, 'This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.").

He would have a zeal for God ("Because zeal for Your house has eaten me up, and the reproaches of those who reproach You have fallen on me." --Psalm 69:9). His zeal became apparent when he drove the merchants from His Father's house in John 2:15, 16 ("When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple. . . . And he said, . . . 'Take these things away! Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!").

Concerning His Ministry:
He would be preceded by a messenger ("A voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the Lord; Make straight in the desert a highway for our God.'" --Isaiah 40:3). John the Baptist was that messenger ("John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, and saying, 'Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!'" --Matthew 3:1, 2).

His ministry was to begin in Galilee ("Nevertheless the gloom will not be upon her who is distressed, as when at first He lightly esteemed the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward more heavily oppressed her, by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, in the Galilee of the Gentiles." --Isaiah 9:1). And it did ("Now when Jesus heard that John had been put into prison, He departed to Galilee. And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is by the sea, in the regions of Zebulun and Naphtali. From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, 'Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.'" --Matthew 4:12, 13, 17).

He would perform great miracles ("Then the eyes of the blind will be opened, And the ears of the deaf will be unstopped. Then the lame will leap like a deer, And the tongue of the dumb will sing For joy." --Isaiah 35:5, 6). And, He did ("And Jesus was going about all the cities and the villages, teaching in their synagogues, and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness." --Matthew 9:35).

He will teach using parables ("I will open my mouth in a parable; I will utter dark sayings of old." --Psalm 78:2). Guess what! He did! ("All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them." --Matthew 13:34).

He would enter the temple ("And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple." --Malachi 3:1). He did this also ("Then Jesus went into the temple of God and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple." --Matthew 21:12).

He would enter Jerusalem on a donkey ("Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, humble, lowly and riding on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey." --Zechariah 9:9). He did... how fitting for a king! ("And they brought him to Jesus. And they threw down their own clothes on the colt, and they set Jesus on him. And as He went, many spread their clothes on the road. Then, as hHe was now drawing near the descent of the Mount of Olives." --Luke 19:35-37).

He would be a "Stone of Stumbling" to the Jews ("The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone." --Psalm 118:22). He did ("Therefor, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, 'The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone.'" --1 Peter 2:7).

He would be a "light" to the Gentiles ("The Gentiles shall come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising." --Isaiah 60:3). He became such a light ("For so the Lord has commanded us, 'I have set you as a light to the Gentiles, that you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.' Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord." --Acts 13:47, 48

Concerning Events After His Burial
He would be resurrected ("For You will not leave my soul in Sheol; nor will you allow Your Holy One to see corruption." --Psalm 16:10). And to everyone's amazement, it was so ("His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption." --Acts 2:31).

He would ascend into the heavens ("You have ascended on high." --Psalm 68:18). He did ("He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight." --Acts 1:9).

He would be seated at the right hand of God ("The Lord said to my Lord, 'Sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool." --Psalm 110:1). The scriptures say that He was ("When He had by Himself purged our sins, [He] sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high." --Hebrews 1:3).



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29 Prophecies Fulfilled in One Day
The following twenty-nine prophecies from the old Testament, which speak of the betrayal, trial, defeat, and burial of Jesus, were spoken at various times by many different voices during the five centuries from 1000-500 B.C. Yet all of them were literally fulfilled in Jesus in one twenty-four-hour period of time.

He would be betrayed by a friend ("Even my familiar friend in whom I trusted, who ate my bread, has lifted up his heel against me." --Psalm 41:9). Judas betrayed Him ("Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him." --Matthew 10:4).

He would be betrayed for thirty pieces of silver ("Then I said to them, 'If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.' So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver." --Zechariah 11:12). Judas received thirty pieces of silver in exchange for Jesus ("'What are you willing to give me if I deliver Him to you?' And they counted out to him thirty pieces of silver." --Matthew 26:15).

The Old Testament also predicted that those thirty pieces of silver would be thrown into the house of the Lord ("So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord for the potter." --Zechariah 11:13). Judas did so ("Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed." --Matthew 27:5).

The priests of the temple bought a burial site from the potter referenced in Zechariah 11:13 ("And they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in." --Matthew 27:7).

His disciples would leave him in time of trouble ("Strike the Shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered." --Zechariah 13:7). They did so ("Then they all forsook Him and fled." --Mark 14:50).

He would be accused by false witnesses ("Fierce witnesses rise up; they ask me things that I do not know." --Psalm 35:11). He was ("Now the chief priests, the elders, and all the council sought false testimony against Jesus to put Him to death, but found none. Even thought many false witnesses came forward, they found none." --Matthew 26:59, 60).

He would be silent before his accusers ("He was oppressend and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth." --Isaiah 53:7). He didn't say a word ("And while He was being accused by the chief priests and elders, He answered nothing." --Matthew 27:12).

He would be wounded and bruised ("But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed." --Isaiah 53:5). He was ("Then he released Barabbas to them; and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered Him to be crucified." --Matthew 27:26).

He would be smitten and spit upon ("I gave My back to those who struck Me, and My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard; I did not hide My face from shame and spitting." --Isaiah 50:6). It was so ("Then they spat in His face and beat Him; and others struck Him with the palms of their hands." --Matthew 26:67).

He would also be mocked ("All who see Me ridicule Me; They shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, 'He trusted in the Lord; let Him rescue Him; let Him deliver Him, since He delights in Him!" --Psalm 22:7, 8). And it was so ("When they had twisted a crow of thorns, they put it on His head, and a reed in His right hand; and they bowed the knee before Him and mocked Him, saying, 'Hail, King of the Jews!'" --Matthew 27:29).

He would grow tired and fall under the weight of the cross ("My knees are weak through fasting; and my flesh is feeble from lack of fatness. I also have become a repreoach to them; when they look at me, they shake their heads." --Psalm 109:24, 25). And it came to pass in John 19:17 ("And He, bearing His cross, went out to a place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha.") and in Luke 23:26 ("Now as they led Him away, they laid hold of a certain man, Simon a Cyrenian, who was coming from the country, and on him they laid the cross that he might bear it after Jesus.").

His hands and feet would be pierced (as by large, dull spikes that attached His body to the cross) according to Psalm 22:16 ("They pierced My hands and My feet."). It was fulfilled ("And when they had come to the placed called Calvary, there they crucified Him." --Luke 23:33).

He would be killed alongside theives ("Because He poured out His soul unto death, and He was numbered with the transgressors." And he was crucified with robbers at his sides ("Then the two robbers were crucified with Him, one on the right and another on the left."

*It might be interesting to note that crucifixion was unheard of at the time that these two prophecies were made, so it would be hard for the prophets to describe it exactly.*

Also, He would plead with His Father to forgive His persecutors ("And He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." --Isaiah 53:12). So, he did ("Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." --Luke 23:34).

Also, His own people would reject Him ("He is despised and rejected by men, a Man of sorrows and aquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised and we did not esteem Him." --Isaiah53:3). And it was so ("For even His brothers did not believe in Him. 'Have any of the rulers or the Pharisees believed in Him?" --John 7:5, 48).

People would hate Him without a cause ("Those who hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of my head." --Psalm 69:4). And it happened "that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, 'They hated Me without a cause.'"(John 15:25).

His friends would stand far off ("My loved ones and my friends stand aloof from my plague, and my relatives stand afar off." --Psalm 38:11). And *surprise!* it happened ("But all His aquaintances, and the women who followed Him from Galilee, stood at a distance watching these things." --Luke 23:49).

On a minor note, people would shake their heads at Him ("I also have become a reproach to them; When they look at me, they shake their heads." --Psalm 109:25). They did ("And those who passed by blasphemed Him, wagging their heads." --Matthew 27:39).

He would be stared upon ("I can count all My bones. They look and stare at Me." --Psalm 22:17). "And the people stood looking on." (Luke 23.35)

People would cast lots for His garments ("They divide My garments among them, and for My clothing they cast lots." --Psalm 22:18). And the soldiers did so ("The soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took His garments and made four parts, to each soldier a part, and also the tunic. Now the tunic was without seam, woven from the top in one piece. They said . . . 'Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be.'" --John 19:23, 24).

He would also suffer from thirst as He was dying ("And for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink." --Psalm 69:21). And He did suffer from thirst ("After this, Jesus . . . said, 'I thirst!'" --John 19:28).

The soldiers went on to raise a spong soaked in vinegar up to Him as He hung on the cross. This was prophesied in Psalm 69:21 ("They also gave me gall for my food, and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.") and fulfilled in Matthew 27:34 ("They gave Him sour wine mingled with gall to drink. But when He had tasted it, He would not drink.")

He would also sound a cry to His Father ("My God , My God, why have you forsaken Me?" --Psalm 22:1), which he did in Matthew 27:46 ("And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?'")

He would also commit His spirit to God ("Into Your hand I commit my spirit." --Psalm 31:5). He did so ("And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, 'Father "into Your hands I commit My spirit."'" --Luke 23:46).

His bones would not be broken ("He guards all his bones; not one of them is broken." --Psalm 34:20). The guards did not break His legs, as was customary for crucifixions ("But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs." --John 19:33).

His heart would literally burst, releasing blood and water ("My heart is like wax' it has melted within Me." --Psalm 22:14). It was so ("But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out." --John 19:34).

His side would be pierced ("They will look on Me whom they pierced." --Zechariah 12:10). It was so, as demonstrated in John 19:34.

Darkness would fall on the land on the day that the Messiah died ("And it shall come to pass in that day,' says the Lord God, 'That I will make the sun go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in broad daylight.'" --Amos 8:9). And, it too, was so ("Now from the sixth hour until the ninth there was darkness over all the land." --Matthew 27:45). In those times, the clock started at sunrise, around six AM, so the sixth hour would be about noon, and the ninth would be about three in the afternoon.

He would be buried in a rich man's tomb ("And they made His grave with the wicked--but with the rich at His death." --Isaiah 53:9). And he was buried in a rich man's tomb ("There came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph. . . and [he] asked for the body of Jesus. . . . When Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and laid it in his new tomb." --Matthew 27:57-60).

I know that some will object that Jesus purposefully engineered His life to match the prophecies. This simply could not be. Jesus had no control over several things mentioned in the prophecies, such as: place of birth (Micah 5:2), Time of birth (Daniel 9:25; Genesis 49:10), Manner of birth (Isaiah 7:14), Betrayal, Manner of death (Psalms 22:16), People's reactions (mocking, spitting, staring, etc.), Piercing, and Burial.

Others will say that it could easily be a coincidence. To quote from Josh McDowell yet again, "'Why, you could find some of these prophecies fulfilled in the deaths of Kennedy, King, Nasser, and other great figures,' replies the critic." Yeah, you could find a few of those prophecies fulfilled... but not all sixty of the major ones I just listed.

Another objection is that many so-called "psychic's" have made predictions similiar to those in the Bible. To quote McDowell once more, "There is a quantum leap between every psychic and the unerring prophets of Scripture. Indeed, one test of a prophet was whether they ever uttered predictions that did not come to pass (Deuteronomy 18:22). Those whose prophecies failed were stoned (18:20)--a practice that no doubt gave pause to any who were not absolutely sure their messages were from God. Amid hundreds of prophecies, biblical prophets are not known to have made a singler error." Beginning in 1975, a study was conducted that showed that of seventy-two predictions made by psychics, only six were fulfilled in any way.
Most of these six were extremely vague.

Just a bit to think about, and please, don't hesitate to ask questions, denounce what I've said, whatever. Just please don't let emotions get in the way and turn this into a flame-fest.

God bless,
--PhirePhreak

*you get the idea*

I know that some will object that Jesus purposefully engineered His life to match the prophecies. This simply could not be. Jesus had no control over several things mentioned in the prophecies, such as: place of birth (Micah 5:2), Time of birth (Daniel 9:25; Genesis 49:10), Manner of birth (Isaiah 7:14), Betrayal, Manner of death (Psalms 22:16), People's reactions (mocking, spitting, staring, etc.), Piercing, and Burial.

Others will say that it could easily be a coincidence. To quote from Josh McDowell yet again, "'Why, you could find some of these prophecies fulfilled in the deaths of Kennedy, King, Nasser, and other great figures,' replies the critic." Yeah, you could find a few of those prophecies fulfilled... but not all sixty of the major ones I just listed.

Another objection is that many so-called "psychic's" have made predictions similiar to those in the Bible. To quote McDowell once more, "There is a quantum leap between every psychic and the unerring prophets of Scripture. Indeed, one test of a prophet was whether they ever uttered predictions that did not come to pass (Deuteronomy 18:22). Those whose prophecies failed were stoned (18:20)--a practice that no doubt gave pause to any who were not absolutely sure their messages were from God. Amid hundreds of prophecies, biblical prophets are not known to have made a singler error." Beginning in 1975, a study was conducted that showed that of seventy-two predictions made by psychics, only six were fulfilled in any way.
Most of these six were extremely vague.

Just a bit to think about, and please, don't hesitate to ask questions, denounce what I've said, whatever. Just please don't let emotions get in the way and turn this into a flame-fest.

God bless,
--PhirePhreak

Ohhh PhirePhreak! This ain't fair! It's 4.58 am over here! Well, see you tomorrow ;) Same goes for you, Preacherman ;)

I can't believe I actually looked at that post without catching fire or getting hit by a lightning!!!

I hereby ask God to make my computer explode if he/she exist!

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I didn't die, God doesn't exist! :D

That's a fact lmao

I hereby ask Scorp666 to make my computer explode if he/she exists!
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I didn't die, Scorp666 doesn't exist! :-D

That's a fact lmao

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Originally posted by Preacherman481
Are all third person account necessarily inaccurate? How would you prove such an assertion?

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They are necessarily inaccurate by the basic fact that a third person is involved. Like I said, it's a philosophical discussion (although Einstein is involved... I ain't no physics-guy, but I'll look it up for you if you insist ;) ).

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Also, you listed some incidents from the New Testament that you think are exaggerations or inaccurate. How do you know? How can you say "all" third person accounts are full of exaggerations and inaccuracies? "All" certainly takes in a lot of terriotory. Does that mean in the history of the world there has never been one third person statement that was accurate in all details? Isn't it possible that there is one that is?

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You asked for "some specific examples of what you think are exaggerations, manipulated facts, etc." Matteus saying there where 7 fishes while the other three say there were only 5 is technically an exaggeration, no?
Again, I ain't no exegete. I just opened my copy of the NT, found that story about the fishes and decided to look up that story in the three other gospels. That doesn't prove anything concerning God/Jesus, but it does prove that at least one of the apostles was mistaken about the amount of fishes involved. That's what you asked for, no? It's like the organisators of a protest march saying there were 100,000 participants while the police say there were only 50,000: doesn't prove anything about the march itself, but it does prove that at least one of them is mistaken. Does it matter exactly how many participants there were? No, it doesn't. There were just 'a lot', like there were just 'not much' fishes in that bible-story. That's imo how you should read the bible.

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Also, you still haven't given any evidence that the New Testament is indeed full of exaggerations and inaccurate statements. You have only stated your opinion. You really haven't given any specific evidence to support it.

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Matteus: 7
The other three: 5
What more do you need? How much more specific can one get?

*bold statement*
People taking the bible literally belong in obscure cults... Hmmm, most people taking the bible literally are already in cults. Or in a hospital... */bold statement*

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I can't believe I actually looked at that post without catching fire or getting hit by a lightning!!!

I hereby ask God to make my computer explode if he/she exist!

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I didn't die, God doesn't exist! :D

That's a fact lmao

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All that proves is that God doesn't do everything we ask or say. An aspect of God's character that has benefited me in untold ways,

It was my useless attempt at stopping that thread that will last for the next 10 years and get no further... I will now ignore that thread altogether as it is an obvious complete waste of electricity...