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I don't understand coming from Britian but our Judicial System is still discrimant against race i dunno why just if a Black or asian person is 4 times more likely to be stop and search for drugs than a white person theres something wrong. Just the way life goes I suppose but one strong case is the Murder of Stephen Lawrance a Black Youth the convicted got away scot free. Oh well
I don't understand coming from Britian but our Judicial System is still discrimant against race i dunno why just if a Black or asian person is 4 times more likely to be stop and search for drugs than a white person theres something wrong. Just the way life goes I suppose but one strong case is the Murder of Stephen Lawrance a Black Youth the convicted got away scot free. Oh well
Oh well, i live in Spain and the problem of racial discrimination is a recent one. This make me thing about the sense of it. If in this country (i hate this word, but i'm trying you to understand me) we are a mix of Arabs/Roman/North African/Barbarians/Jews etc etc, why is discrimination rising quickly?
MONEY
This seems not worry "Spain's President", Mr Bush-asslicker JoseMari Aznar (a niephe of one of Franco's military assistants in 1936-39 war, Lt General Aznar), and money-eaters that day after day are gaining terrain. We NEED inmigrants, because we need people to work in agricultural. Where i live in the NW, population were decreased not long ago because of emigration. 1900-1920 we lost more than 50,000 people every year because they had to go if they didn't want to die of starvation, and land property laws did the things worst.
Nowadays, the sons and niephes of that people are returning, and fortunately, there's a lot of space to share with them. Also, people of Morocco, Romania and ohters are coming, but some people don't want them (i mean, spanish people out of where i live). The main problem is that those moroccans and romanians are POOR, really poor. they need our help, but there is more: many of them are criminals, and the innocent ones pay for them. Fortunately, Spain is a crossroads, and we are prepared to assimilate them all. Is a fact of life. Poor people from the 'South World' is going in a huge number to 'North's'. If that is a bad thing, we deserve it!
Oh, what do I know. I just translated it straight off from swedish. Not my fault I haven't had more time to learn your silly language ;)Quote:
The term, as I've heard it applied at least the academic level, is reverse discrimination. Simply put, in favoring a minority simply because of the color of their skin or their ethnic background, you are reverse discriminating against the so-called non-minority. In this great country of our's, we once had something called "affirmative action" - which is just that... justified and lawful reverse discrimination.
What strikes me in this thread is the difference between European and American thinking. The libertarian, or the American viewpoint seems to be that all men are created equal with exactly the same possibilities to make something of their lifes.
The for most times, social democratic or European viewpoint seems to be that there are in fact differences in the possibilites given to each individual. A child from a minoity, brought up in a poor neighborhood have the same possibility to apply to college but he wont have the same interest in doing so. This is where affirmative action comes in.
There seems to be a difference in reasoning, perhaps from traditional politics in ones personal region. A more left-oriented Europe and a more right-oriented America.
In Europe we have a strong tradition of higher taxes but free education, child care, helth care and so on. Stuff that from what I know is mostly financed by insurance in the states.
I dunno what I want said really, I noticed something I found interesting. Oh well.
Do you mean he won't have the same interest? Then what does affirmative action do? Force them to apply? Or do you mean he won't have the same chances to get in?Quote:
A child from a minoity, brought up in a poor neighborhood have the same possibility to apply to college but he wont have the same interest in doing so. This is where affirmative action comes in.
I am a minority (Native American) although I look caucasion. I grew up in one of the worst neighborhoods in Lansing Michigan. I have a bachelors degree in Information Systems.
I don't understand you arguement. If you apply yourself, it shouldn't matter what your race is. There are plenty of scolarships/loans/grants/etc. Everyone can afford to attend. I know minoritys that have degrees and never spent a penny on school. They actually made money off of attending. I know caucasions that couldn't get the same assistance, and now have $30,000 school loans that they have to pay off.
The biggest problem with MSU (and I think UofM recently was doing the same thing) was that they were accepting students with lower SAT/ACT scores and less qualified, simply because they were a minority. There is something that says XXX% of students must be black/mexican so they would turn down qualified white students to bring in more unqualified minorities.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. The possibility to get accepted at the college of choice is probably the same for a caucasian or for a person from any minority.
The fact that you have a bachelors degree says something about your family and your surroundings. Someone must have given you the confidence and the determination do get a higher education.
What I'm saying is that when your dad's in jail, your mom's a crack addicted prostitute and several of your friends have been killed recently in drive by's, applying to college is probably not the first thing that strikes your mind.
Affirmative action can help you in the way that you might get accepted to college even though you lack the proper grade average and this knowledge might inspire you to apply even though you're going through rough times.
I do not, however, belive that affirmative action should be applied in a way so that people without proper qualifications get jobs or college seats before people with better qualifications get them.
If two people have the same prerequisits or qualifications I think the job/seat/whatever should go to the applicant which is a minority at the place they're applying.
It's frustrating cause I feel I lack the language skills to express my ideas in an elegant way. Let me know if I make no sence whatsoever ;)
Discrimination is not about laws, rules or goverments.
It's about the people that are in those goverments and make those laws and rules.
Mankan: you see, you've just hit upon the problem...the affirmative action program does just that...it gives spots to people who dont deserve them, while pushing out people who have done all the work to get whatever they are applying for. if a company or school has to meet a certian % to qualify for whatever government program, then they have no choice but to hire the less skilled person if they are a minority because they "need" that quota.
8*B@LL: You're quite right. When Swedish fire fighters decided there should be more women in the organisation they lowered the physical standards so that women could meet them. I think affirmative action when applied that sort of way is wrong.
When two applicants have the *same* qualifications I think the job should go to the one best representing a minority in the current business. Always.