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Originally posted here by lord_darkside_x
***ironic note: now that they refer to him as usama his first three letters of his name are USA... conspiracy maybe... ;)
Terr and Terrorism.........hmmmmmm ;)
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Originally posted here by lord_darkside_x
***ironic note: now that they refer to him as usama his first three letters of his name are USA... conspiracy maybe... ;)
Terr and Terrorism.........hmmmmmm ;)
WHEN AMERICA SHOWS ME PROOF THAT 3 AUSTRALIANS WERE BREAKING AUSTRALIAN OR INTERNATIONAL RULES WHEN CAPTURED IN AFGHANISTAN OR PAKISTAN AND THEN TREATED LIKE DOGS IN A CAGE NOT FIT FOR HUMANS WITHOUT RED CROSS HELP AND LAWYER ACCESS.Quote:
Originally posted here by draziw
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But they did prove it, right after they ok'd military tribunals again - and us "normal" folk aren't privy to that sort of stuff. ROFL
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I will then think again on American favourite word.."Freedom"
I heard America declare WAR on the Taliban.
So if this is a war..Why have soldiers captured not been treated like one under U.N laws??
Why does America keep them in CUBA.
A country they try to say is so ROTTEN all the time yet its good enough for them to make a jail there?
Show us the evidence or release our People!! :mad:
INFO...I'm NOT questioning your story, or that it is true. I simply haven't heard about it, and would like a link?
Thanks!
Deb :D
Sorry for not providing links...
Those 2 above in Conf1rm3d_K1ll's post cover things very well...
You will then understand...Not all of us are happy with America's attitudes and actions.
There is actually an Ex soldier missing in the area(So called as when they find him they will lock him up)..This soldier had mental problems after East Timor service and left the Army and his family believe he left for Afghanistan to follow the muslim way..Not to fight!!
This is the 3rd person i refer to as he has still not been found or in America's way..CAPTURED!!
/me crawls out from under the rock she's been hiding under.
Okay enough of the funny stuff.
"The Australian government is, frankly, pathetic in that, for the argument of convenience, we are letting this man be held in conditions that clearly violate established conventions on the treatment of prisoners." The U.S. government classifies the men as "illegal combatants," not prisoners of war, and therefore they don't have the rights laid out in the Geneva Convention.
This is just wrong. It alarms me that the American gov't is behaving in a manner they would be banging a gong and ripping to shreds if it was another "enlightened" country. I think that things have gotten way out of hand. It is a frightening enough time to be an American, without having to wonder just what the hell our gov't is getting up to without us knowing about it.
I DO support our troops, for those of you who are going to rip me to shreds for not supporting our government. Our troops are doing what they are being asked to do, and it is wrong. However, there is little choice when you've been dumped in the middle of a desert but to do the best you can to come home alive.
I don't understand personally what the difference b/w an "illegal combatant" and a POW is. Seems to me that if you are fighting with an opposing army, and you are captured, you are a POW. And deserve POW rights.
It is a bad bad bad situation, and I suppose to some extent, I have been hiding under a rock. I would rather not get involved in the swearing and yelling and unhappiness that the threads like this normally involve, and I don't know how I can personally really make a difference. Plus whenever it is brought up at my house, my hubby and I usually end up on opposite ends of the house not speaking to each other for several hours.
But to all of those who don't like what the US gov't is doing.....A lot of Americans don't like it either.
Deb
I try and stay away from these threads as much as possible for the same reasons, but I want to share my point of view as well, thinking maybe it will make a difference.Quote:
Originally posted here by debwalin
It is a bad bad bad situation, and I suppose to some extent, I have been hiding under a rock. I would rather not get involved in the swearing and yelling and unhappiness that the threads like this normally involve, and I don't know how I can personally really make a difference. Plus whenever it is brought up at my house, my hubby and I usually end up on opposite ends of the house not speaking to each other for several hours.
I've never liked the idea of not knowing exactly what my government was doing. And for a lot of reasons, I understand why they do this. If they broadcasted everything they did on television, then the 'enemies' would know exactly what we were doing at all times. So they throw a lot of misleading information on the television, which is why I don't bother watching the news, except for local happenings. I don't think the US government has ruled out other parties involved in the 9/11 tragedy, I think they've just shifted their 'community focus' to Osama Bin Laden to 'distract' the general public and other governments while they're looking into all possibilities. Like I said...this is what I think, and I could be completely wrong.
(Try and follow me on the next one here, I'm going to make some generallized racist remarks, but understand I am NOT racist in any way, I'm just trying to shed some light on the situation.)
I think that not only the American people are confused, but the American Government, even if it's not admitted, and even if they are trying to work through this without letting their own people know exactly what is going on. We've had many scares similar to this in this country, such as during WWII, where we locked up Japanese-Americans because of WHO they were and that they 'might' be affiliated with the Japanese that bombed us.
http://members.aol.com/EARTHSUN/Manzanar.html
In a situation such as the camps we built for Japanese-Americans and the situation that faces us now, although we're trying as hard as we can not to make that mistake again, it's easier to point out the 'potential bad-guys' as one would call them because of the color of their skin.
Middle Eastern people are characterized by their dark features, darker skin color..etc. and it's easier to point them out in a country such as this one. Where as, if the opposite were true, and we were trying to find German-Americans, the task would be harder, because they're under the Caucasian category, and you'd have to look in their background before you pulled one of them off the street because of the way they looked.
I think that there's a true panic going on here. If you're found associating with someone who comes from a country that these terrorist attacks originated from, people are going to point their fingers and go why. That INCLUDES our government. And if you're found in a country that's under scrutiny for originating terrorist activity, you're going to get the same finger pointing. I know it's not right, but as I said...people are scared.
I don't think the US Government KNOWS what to do, and can't really say that at the present time due to the circumstances and the vulnerabilities that the truth would cause. And I don't blame them...I don't know if I would know if I were in their position.
As Deb said, I support our troops...I have a few family members in the field right now, that I wait desperately to hear from as news reaches back here. I believe in times like these, where troops are dispatched, it's the troops that make the real difference, not the voice behind them. If it came down to a full blown war over this whole situation, it's OUR people, not OUR government that will fight for what we believe in. So it's easy to sit in your big leather chair smoking your stogie and tell the troops beneath you that you want something done, because you're not going to do it yourself. Vietnam definitely comes to mind when I say this. And May 4th at Kent State University, where I attend school, also comes to mind.
On a final note, the whole "innocent until proven guilty", I've read some articles on this concerning war affiliations and such, and from what I've read, although that goes for the American people, but when it's during a time of war, etc...it doesn't really apply. Don't quote me on this, but that's the impression that I got from some of the things I've read.
Grrr...I'm confused.
well greek i understand what you are saying... but i think that the use of misinformation by our government is not only to confuse our enemies, but to keep the american people behind the government. if you knew the things that were really going on, you would prolly not support the government. this is why they do what they do.
as for our troops... i agree that we need to support the troops because it is their lives on the line, but i don't think there is a reason to risk the lives of troops. war is not an answer. sending people who have nothing to do with the situation out to kill more people that are not directly involved does not solve conflicts between governments and countries.
i am sorry to hear that you have people in the field greek, and i wish them and you the best, and hope that they will be returned to you safely.
In regards to the original question,
I don't know how much truth to it, but I did hear it on one of the news networks, that the real name was usama but that the US had preferred to use osama so as not to be confused with something like the US Military Academy... (the abbreviation would have been like USMA or USAMA)...I forget which...but that was the 'excuse' given by the network to explain their use of usama instead of what everyone else was calling him (osama)...
Neb
Ok, so we bombed a wedding, how many people died? a couple? now onto 9/11...how many people died?? Thousands!!!! i say we dont stop till we find Osama (will not put usama dont want the USA to be in anything realted to him) and put him down a slide with little razors into a pool of alcohol....hehe..just my sick dimented $.02