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Originally posted by HTRegz
As for a contract in the military, it's been proven before if you don't want to fight, there are ways out of it.

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Maybe in the past - but with an all volunteer military there can be no conscientious objectors. They volunteered to join, they were trained to use weapons. They are legally bound.

While I appreciate your effort in finding specific statistics, I was asking for specifics about your calling my statements half-truths. Which statements, and what is your justification?

I can spout stats all day. And yes, our government has pulled some pretty bone-headed stunts, but whose hasn't? If you're going to attack my statements, back it up.

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"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Sir Winston Churchill.

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“I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it” - Voltaire

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Nice catch, huh? Specter's one is correct, btw :D

Sorry... as you were, gentleman ;)

I still haven't seen any real proof of any weapons of mass destruction. Although, chances are we will magically see them "appear" in Baghdad after The U.S "liberates" the city.....


I still haven't seen any real proof IRAQ having any links to Terrorism or the trainning of Terrorists...


I still haven't seen any real proof of IRAQ being involved in any way to the attcks on The U.S, Sept 11th...


What I personally have seen is the Australian media run a propaganda campaign that would have made Hitler proud. I've seen our Prime Minister talk of the attrocities commited by Saddam and how he must be removed for human rights issues. This is the same Prime Minister that refused to let Iraqi refugee's into Australia and accused them of throwing their Children Overboard in an attempt to keep these people out of Australia....

I've seen Australia's spineless PM be played like the puppet he is by the Bush regime....



The whole thing is pathetic and reeks of hypocrisy. Open your eyes people.

Hehe, I told ntsa that too negative.
Nice post htreg, good points, all of them. I just wanted to add one thing, that Johnson completely fabricated the reason for the vietnam war. They claimed that they had been attacked, when in reality, no such attack had taken place, and he knew it, but he needed a reason, and so he made on up.
Is it therefore so completely crazy to think that the US may have fabricated evidence, or just didn't bother to provide any, so that they could obtain control of strategic oil reserves? I do not think so.
Supporting your country is one thing, but blindly following your leader is never a good choice. Without people questioning their leaders, there is no democracy, it is a dictatorship, which, coincedentally, is what the US accuses Saddam Hussein of being.

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Originally posted here by KorpDeath


Those are the women, children, and elderly being killed by SoDamn Insane, right Deb?

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These are the women, children and elderly being killed by bombs dropped by our government and allies, knowing full well that they are being used as human shields. It doesn't matter whose fault it is that they are being used, what matters is the fact that we are knowingly and willingly killing defenseless civilians. Nothing will ever make that right.

Deb

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Originally posted here by debwalin


These are the women, children and elderly being killed by bombs dropped by our government and allies, knowing full well that they are being used as human shields. It doesn't matter whose fault it is that they are being used, what matters is the fact that we are knowingly and willingly killing defenseless civilians. Nothing will ever make that right.

Deb

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So because people are being mistreated, we shouldn't bother to go in? Not a bad line of logic, however, anyone who uses people as human shields (or even suggest that people be used as shields) shouldn't be in power, anyway.

And yeah no proof, blah, blah blah. We know what he has, we, unfortunately gave him some of his weapons. The Soviet Union twinked Iran and we twinked Iraq, to stop the Soviets "advance".

This is a moot discussion anyway. I'm glad none of you make the decisions for your countries. That's just my opinion and as we all know "opinions are like a-holes......".

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human shields (or even suggest that people be used as shields) shouldn't be in power, anyway.

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But is the man dropping the bombs and killing those defenseless civilians any better than the man usinng them as shields?
And if Afghanistan, the US killed many civilians, and the worst thing about it is that they denied it all. I trust channels like BBC, and CBC for us canadians, that have stated that fact. They kill civilians and then pretend that it didn't happen, as though some magical dust killed those people and created a crater.

unilateral "preemptive" war(massacre) against Iraq = 1 billion very pissed off muslims , and an isolated and feared 300 million Americans with very little international support .

Specter6:

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While I appreciate your effort in finding specific statistics, I was asking for specifics about your calling my statements half-truths. Which statements, and what is your justification?

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The statement I was refering to was your claim that the US liberated Kuwait. How can you call it liberation when they are reinstating a dictator.

KorpDeath:

Are people in Iraw being mistreated? Yes.
Is that a reason to bomb innocent people, because you are trying to kill one fanatical dictator? NEVER.
But that isn't the point, it's up for a country to deal with their own internal affairs. America can't seem to deal with itself on the homeland front, so why is it trying to deal with other countries. Maybe when you can successfully run your own country, then you can stick your noses in other business. I mean hell offering Turkey billions of dollars in exchange for them allowing US troops access to Turkish soil to launch an attack. That money could be better spent in other places.

I just hope that there will be a bare minimum of civilian casualties. One thing i can say though the United States really needs to find those WMD, so the efforts will be vindicated. At least in the eyes of the United Nations. My bet is the weapons are there and will be found. I hope my countries men and women come back safely.