First, pretty much every war America has gotten into was justified...WWI = unrestricted submarine warfare by Germany, WWII = the attack on Pearl Harbor by the Japanese, Cold War (Not really war, but ... ) = prevent the spread of communism, Korean War = prevent the spread of communism, and protect South Korea, Gulf War = protect Kuwait and an attempt to rid the world of Saddam, War on Terror (Afghanistan) = worst act of terrorism, September 11th, Gulf War II = prevent Iraq from using it's WMD and another attempt to rid the world of Saddam. Second, you said no country has benefited from America bombing it, okay, how about Japan or Afghanistan? We improved the lives of the citizens there and now we're working in Iraq. Third, we're not trying to push an MTV world onto the countries we go to war with. We go there to protect the world. Saddam was a dangerous man, he killed his OWN people, who knows what he planned on doing to the world! And you saying that we in America don't see the negative side of war is completely ridiculous. You don't think I know that men are dying to protect the world? You don't think the families that lose their loved ones in battle are sad? I wouldn't make those assumptions if I were you unless you've LIVED in America. We see the TERROR of war, and we see the TERROR of not going to war. Remember September 11th, remember those 2000 some odd people who died, those INNOCENT people that had nothing to do with war? No, you have your head up your ass and you keep thinking about the woman who helps those crazy ass terrorists kill people, you worry about a bomb hitting her. Also the value of the American dollar is still less than the Euro ($1.16 = 1 EU exactly from today's Chicago Tribune), so get yourself a newspaper and learn how to read it. Well, if we're talking in general then let's get started, how much longer until another crazy-ass Hamas follower blows himself up killing innocent people, how much longer until Isreal launches more missiles from an Apache and kills innocent people, how much longer until another bin Laden kills more people from America? You're just like everyone else, you think that America is bad just because we're the world's leader, you don't look at Afghanistan and the terrorists who live there, you don't look at Saddam killing thousands of his OWN people, instead you look at the single misfired bomb that kills a woman.Quote:
Originally posted here by instronics
Korpdeath, its not about comparing what russia has done, and its not about the age of the countries. Its about the fact that Bush has MILITARY units outside of his home country. Its about him trying to tell the world what and how to do it. Its about the abuse of power. The lack of respect. Im not saying anything about your internal affairs or politics. Im sure that within your borders you have good laws, good control, jobs, everything is clean and organized. But Bush still has no right to tell another country what to do!!! Im not only talking about Iraq, or Iran. Im talking that ALMOST every US president has STARTED A WAR outside of US territory. Im talking about the privacy invasion worldwide, frequenzies etc... Why not just leave the world alone. So far, not ONE country that has been bombed from the US have benefits from it, other than the loss of lives, and a new regime that wants to make an earning out of it. Like i said in my earlier statement. You would have to live outside the US to actually see these things. An example, during the Iraq war, CNN, STAR, BBC just showed how their troops were moving in professionaly and how they spread candy and chocolate to the children there. They did not show what the rest of the world saw. The pain, the loss of innocent lives, the mistakes and ****ups made, the damage, the killing, the TERROR! Its also amazing that thier 3rd target was the OIL that "had to be secured". Other mentalities dont want coca cola, mc donalds, democracy. Its not their way of life. Thats what i meant earlier with lack of respect towards the world. Noone has a real choice. Just before the war, the dollar was worth a little less than the euro for example. Now that Bush has the OIL, its amazing how much the dollar is worth now. Someone also stated "Look how they welcomed the troops", well, they would welcome anyone comming in with "power of destruction" to save thier lives. What would have happened if they told the troops to go and **** themselves? And its not about Iran at this moment only. Its about things in general. How long till Bush STARTS SLAUGHTERING again? Why doesnt CNN call it that, but call it more polite names and values? I dont remember if you read an old post of mine i wrote just before the Iraq war. I cant find it, but i will try to remember the comments, and rewrite a small part of it.
A middle class man wakes up next to his wife in his lil' house on the edge of New York, he says good-bye to his two children and rushes to the Metra train that takes him 20 miles to work. He walks into the North Tower of the World Trade Center and goes up to the 84 floor, grabs a coffee on his way to his office and sets off to work. He sits down for 20 minutes and then a plane crashes through his window, killing him, his co-workers, and the hundreds of innocent people. He leaves behind a wife and two kids. What's the difference? He was an American so no cares, it seems like everyone has this thing against America? Why? It's beyond me!Quote:
Originally posted here by instronics
A little poor family, who have nothing but rags, poor food, no quality. The father has to go every day by foot 10 km to go and get some food for his family. He has never done anything wrong. He fights for his family in ways you would never understand. One morning he wakes up and hears shots and a plane fly over him. Next minute, everything around him (including him) is dead!
We did send in delagates, we went to the UN, we sent in reps from all over the US and nothing worked. The guy openly said that he wouldn't leave, so what could we have done? Said please? Sometimes action is the only way to do something and it so happened that this time there was a need for it.Quote:
Originally posted here by instronics
Noone can justify bombings. No politics or actions can say that bombing is a solution. If Bush would send in some elite, and get the core work done, like getting saddam out of the way or anything that would no cost the lives of women and children, then it would be a whole other story, but all thats happening is you see Bush telling the world how, when, where, and why he will bomb something.
Is this the reason everyone has a grudge against America? Is it really because we are the best?Quote:
Originally posted here by instronics
We are depented on the US, we are scared from the US, theres nothing we can do about it. Its also about economy.\
Tell that to bin Laden, tell that to Saddam, tell that to everyone else!!! Why single out America, we take action when it IS necessary. Its not a quest for power, its for the safety of our citizens.Quote:
Originally posted here by instronics
Im not saying the US has done nothing good, i know they send in medicine, technology, education and things. Its about bombing a CAPITAL CITY where real lives live (not some counter strike, or war craft game). Its about Killing.
I understand your opinion very well, I know that you only want the best and you get emotional. There is no reason to feel guilty. Support your cause, listen to our arguements and see if they have an influence. No hard feelings.Quote:
Originally posted here by instronics
I also want you people to understand my point of view, my feelings. Its not about me being short sighted, but its about terror. And bush is spreading terror around the globe. I remember before the iraq war people said, bush will not start a war, they will find a peacefull solution. Then the war starts, and everyone shuts up about it. Once theres nothing more to kill, the subject is forgotten. Before the next war starts, you all say "bush will not start a war", or "he will find a good solution". Well, mark my words, the only country that will be bombing other countries is the US.
I beg you to forgive my hostile choice of words, but sadness and anger help become this way. Go to any country, goto greece, germany, france, netherlands, or any other place and just ask privately a citizen what they think of bush, and you will see that they all agree on hanging him.
Understand our point of view too. Your media and sources are corrupt to the gov likings. Also ours and other to some point. But, we dont hide the truth!!!
Im sorry if im offending anyone personally. Its not my intention. My words are still very polite and harmless compared to what the world thinks. Believe me when i say that. But i dont want to start with insults and opinions from others. Right now its about what i think about the whole situation. Its about the pictures i see. Not the pictures you see. I will never forget when our news showed us how a family (family, meaning 3 little girls, a wife, and an older brother) got shot in the head by US troops.
Nuff said, im really getting upset. This is my last post in the cosmos forum about this subject. I will now go back to the other forums and see if i can help someone in need of security help.
Once again, im sorry if i sound insulting. But i have valid and strong points. My witness is every country except the Uk and the US.
If you want to be nit picky about details then how about getting them right.... first we didn't give Iraq 48 hours of preparation, we gave them three or four months. We constantly warned them and told that if they didn't disarm we would strike. Secondly, the first attack of "Shock and Awe" campaign was decided on three hours before it took place and I can ensure you that Iraq had no warning of it.Quote:
Originally posted here by powertoad5000
...by giving them 48 hours notice?
To this date according to CNN there has been 230 deaths, so about a fifth of the deaths thus far have occurred after the war was declared over. It's quite possible that these minor conflicts will stretch into the future for a while.
The situation in Israel is not a simple problem. Go do some reading.
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http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/wrd/...-women-2k2.htm
What's your point that a fifth of the troops that have died, have died after the war was called to an end? They were killed by guerilla style tactics, they were minor conflicts and nothing serious. I do agree with you on that these minor events will continue on for a while but sooner or later I see the numbers dropping.
What's wrong with having troops wander the streets and protect the place? They don't even have to be dressed in military style clothes. We probably already have hundreds of spies everywhere so what's wrong with adding a few armed troops? It would be a good way to put an end to terrorist groups like Hamas.
Actually, it is a simple territory dispute. The Palestines are pissed off that their land prior to World War II was taken away from them in order to make the nation of Israel after World War II as a reparation to Jews. Neither side wants to back down due to strong historic importantence of the area and so on... thus the conflict still exists today... I recommend you do your reading.
Your source states:I did read the entire document and I do realize that women in Afghanistan are being assualted. But truly what can you do? Women are assualted everywhere around the world, it's a matter that the US cannot stop nor can anyone stop/control. Go to the men in Afghanistan and teach them some manners, and then complain about them, not the US. We gave the women freedom, now they can stick up for themselves. It is not the US's fault that men there are religious and like treating women like ****... it's something you have to change... it's their belief and let them do as they please... we liberated a country from an oppressive government and went in to find terrorists, not change religious/social beliefs.Quote:
[b]Since the U.S.-led alliance toppled the Taliban in November 2001, women and girls in Afghanistan have gained greater freedom to participate in public life and access to education, health care, and employment.1 This is the case particularly in the capital, Kabul, where the deployment of foreign military forces under the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF)2 has helped bring much-needed security./b]
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