rcgreen - Thanks alot, was just curious. But are these sites actually using the proceeds to fight them, or are they going to line their pockets? I looked around, couldn't determine this for myself. Perhaps somebody else knows.
Thanks again
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rcgreen - Thanks alot, was just curious. But are these sites actually using the proceeds to fight them, or are they going to line their pockets? I looked around, couldn't determine this for myself. Perhaps somebody else knows.
Thanks again
dopeydadwarf > im not sure about the boycott the riaa sales, but im pretty sure donating to the EFF goes to help out against the RIAA, or at least some good cause. If thats the route you want to take for contributing, hit up https://secure.eff.org for more info.
So instead of "stealing" the song using P2P, you steal it from the radio (internet or otherwise). Newsflash, regardless of how you are obtaining it, you are stealing a song that you don't have legal permission to possess. There's absolutely no difference, other than the way in which you obtain the illegal copy. It's like people I know who tell me I shouldn't download movies, and then they go and rent the movie and make a copy of it. It's still illegal and to the same degree.Quote:
Originally posted here by tonybradley
You can record songs off the radio if you want a copy to play over and over. There is also a way to capture streaming audio (i.e. "Internet radio") and save it as MP3 as well. So, there are alternative means to buying the CD AND to "stealing" the songs using P2P.
I may be wrong but I disagree. I have the right to what is beamed on the airwaves in my house.Quote:
So instead of "stealing" the song using P2P, you steal it from the radio (internet or otherwise). Newsflash, regardless of how you are obtaining it, you are stealing a song that you don't have legal permission to possess
Law enforcement tried to argue that radar detectors should be illegal and lost based on the fact that if you beam radar waves into my car they are in "air space" and I have a right to detect them if I so choose.
I would be curious to see an actual court case or legal precedent stating that its illegal to tape or record what you hear on the radio.
I do completely agree that both downloading movies and copying rentals are equally illegal- just as downloading songs or copying the CD from a friend are both illegal. But, I believe it is legal for me to record radio broadcasts.
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I did some research and found this:
I remember some of this. It seems to me based on this that the webcaster or streaming audio provider is already paying the artist and / or record company for the right to broadcast. I don't have to pay the artist and / or record company in additions- the song was already paid for.Quote:
In 1998, Congress answered "Yes." A webcaster owes both. How much is owed to the record companies? Whatever they want to charge, if they want to allow the webcast at all. Unless, of course, a webcaster qualifies for a compulsory license by—and this is in the law—transmitting during any given three-hour period no more than any of (1) three different selections of sound recordings from any one CD, if no more than two such selections are transmitted consecutively, and (2) four different selections of sound recordings by the same featured recording artist or from any set or compilation of CDs distributed together, if no more than three such selections are transmitted consecutively. Got that? Oh, and the webcaster must take care not to preannounce what songs are about to be played. Hew to all these rules, and you still pay—it's just that the rate, rather than being set by the record company, is set under the law by a three-judge arbitration panel after taking weeks of testimony, as long as the panel is not overruled (as really happened) by a subsequent act of Congress setting entirely different rates.
Source: The Copyright Cage
At least that is how I interpret this and the other research I can find regarding recording broadcast music / movies.
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Just a note about the radar detectors; they arent illegal federally, but they ARE illegal according to some state laws depending on which state you are in. Alot of truckers get caught with them because they pass through states so often that they cant keep up with the individual state's laws.
By that reasoning, the CD that was originally ripped was paid for, so someone has paid for the rights to that music, and they're just broadcasting it to other people. The song was paid for once. The broadcasting company (whoever they may be) is paying for the right to broadcast the signal, no one is paying for the right for you to steal the signal. Having a Pirated Satelite dish is still theft, you are stealing a signal that is being sent to your home. Same difference. I'm not saying I'm against any of this, i'm just saying it's the same thing, regardless of how you obtain the stuff, you are obtaining an item that it is illegal for you to possess. If recording off a streaming webcast is legal, then so is downloading the music. Show me a difference between the two. Data comes into your computer, the data is assembled into an audio file. Same concept in either instance.Quote:
Originally posted here by tonybradley
I remember some of this. It seems to me based on this that the webcaster or streaming audio provider is already paying the artist and / or record company for the right to broadcast. I don't have to pay the artist and / or record company in additions- the song was already paid for.
At least that is how I interpret this and the other research I can find regarding recording broadcast music / movies.
If they sing out loud, and it comes in to my ears, they can no longerQuote:
regardless of how you are obtaining it, you are stealing a song that you don't have legal permission to possess.
take it back, unless they remove my brain.
If they don't want people to make recordings of their songs, they should
STFU and get a real job.
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I agree 100%. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate on this because I can :) My Mp3/Movie collection is prolly 10x bigger than anyone they've arrested so far, and i'll keep sharing. To hell with them. Ahh the joys of not being American :) heh.Quote:
Originally posted here by rcgreen
If they sing out loud, and it comes in to my ears, they can no longer
take it back, unless they remove my brain.
If they don't want people to make recordings of their songs, they should
STFU and get a real job.
:cool:
I don't know that I CAN show you the difference, but it doesn't matter if there is a difference TECHNICALLY. It matters if there is a difference LEGALLY.Quote:
If recording off a streaming webcast is legal, then so is downloading the music. Show me a difference between the two.
If I, or anyone else, can find something saying that it is illegal for me to possess a copy of a song that I recorded off of the radio- I will stop doing it. Regardless of the semantics, I honestly believe that it is not against any law on the books to record a song off the radio.
Again, I may be wrong and I am doing my homework to prove it one way or the other. I am certainly open to being corrected if someone can point me to a reference or case law precedent stating otherwise.
I don't know the background behind this but this is on the Legal Notice @ http://dcmusic.iwarp.com/legalnotice.html
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It is NOT legal to record any part of this webcast. Doing so violates the broadcaster's rights, the artists rights, and quite possibly may be an issue with live365.com. As for content not realated to music, such as live talk shows later on, I do not care if they are copied. I would request that if they are played or stored elsewhere, that proper credit in the form of a plug or link be given.