Was Clinton a good president?

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Originally posted here by TheRepublican

Iraq was a threat to the US. It has been proven numerous times that saddam both possessed WMD's and was harboring terrorists by Mr. Powell in he UN. Besides, he got congressional approval to go to war, look at this

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in524191.shtml

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That is bullshit! The UN never said that Iraq harbored weapons of mass destruction. The UN was against the war the whole time (along with the rest of the world) and they have not found even ONE weapon of mass destruction in Iraq. NO missles, no chemical weapons, no nukes, no nothing!

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Originally posted here by CXGJarrod
That is bullshit! The UN never said that Iraq harbored weapons of mass destruction. The UN was against the war the whole time (along with the rest of the world) and they have not found even ONE weapon of mass destruction in Iraq. NO missles, no chemical weapons, no nukes, no nothing!

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I didn't say Mr. Powell and the UN proved that they had WMD's, rather that Mr. Powell presented overwhelming evidence proving that they did during a UN meeting. I can't say where they are now, but they did have them (It was theorized that they were moved into Syria.) But, as you already know, we don't need the UN's authorization to go to war. The world's opinion matters, but not in matters of our own national security.

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Originally posted here by TheRepublican


I didn't say Mr. Powell and the UN proved that they had WMD's, rather that Mr. Powell presented overwhelming evidence proving that they did during a UN meeting. I can't say where they are now, but they did have them (It was theorized that they were moved into Syria.) But, as you already know, we don't need the UN's authorization to go to war. The world's opinion matters, but not in matters of our own national security.

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Just because some one says they have evidence dosn't mean they have evidence. Look bush and his cronies lied to every one about Iraq, a lot of us never beleived him and are not willing to let him off on a "woops I made a mistake in inteligence" defense. I think its great that the man who ran on a platform of restoreing integrety to the presidency is such a bad lier

Maybe I am the only one who saw it but I remember seeing some of and reading reports about Powel's speech. There was some extremely good evidence provided. It didn't seem made up, there were satellite photos.

I find it almost comical that people actually argue that Sadam did not desire and engineer the capability to deliver mass casualties. Even skeptics could consider satellite captured images of convoys crossing Iraqi borders, some what suspicious. What were they carrying? Especially since traces of weapons programs have been discovered through material evidence and interrogation of scientists. Who are also quite happy to have a ruthless dictator in the past?

The speech that Bush gave made it seem imminent to our national security that we Americans take out Sadam immediately. That quote is what people are standing on. Regardless of the good or bad that war on Iraq has brought to the world community, those words are being used as a political crutch to gain momentum for the opposition party. It's also not like the UN didn't think there were weapons in Iraq. They just wanted more time for inspectors to go in. Also don't forget that during the time leading to war, Sadam wouldn't let any one in his country until months had gone by. And over the years he consistently and defiantly defied UN sanctions from the first war, when they violently over through another sovereign government and looted and pillaged it’s citizens. There is a lot in this issue that is left open but those words "weapons of mass destruction" have become much like the "thousand points of light" statement. It's plastered all over the media.

And you have to look elsewhere to find that Bush is seeking UN sanctions to be removed from Iraq. The governing council selected from Iraqi citizens is on the way to governing themselves. Once a week I see a written report that categorizes some Iraqi police action against a known terrorist group. This is kind of a cold statement, but I would rather deal with them there in Iraq than here in American cities.

I give a few examples of some of the good, because I can also entertain the idea that intelligence was wrong, I don't believe it right now but I can entertain the idea of a mistake, and still see good in what has transpired. WMD, doesn’t bother me. What may bother me is if Bush absolutely knew there were no weapons and he still made that statement. I think he understood a threat there and was not intentionally snow balling America. I am not sure he blatantly lied meaning it’s not another “I did not inhale” type of statement. Hell, come to think of it – even if he did lie, was it for the greater good? Maybe he is smarter and has more balls than we all think? Those last comments were entertaining some differing options based solely on speculation.

You're absolutely right, RoadClosed. I saw some of what Mr. Powell put into his report, and it all looked credible to me. Besides, like you said, who can honestly argue that the world would be a better place with saddam still in power. This is just the liberals being wrong and trying to direct the blame to someone else.

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That is bullshit! The UN never said that Iraq harbored weapons of mass destruction.

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Question: If the UN did not believe that Iraq harbored WMDs, then why did the UN levy and keep in place sanctions against Iraq; that were specifically designed to search out illegal WMDs within Iraq?

Please think about your post before you spout off irrevelant and untrue facts, or at least quantify you statement if you are discussing a matter of technical contestation.

Clinton was by far the absolute worst President this country has ever seen. Anyone who defends his actions should be questioned!

For God's sake he is a perjurer! Gee, let's see, that is against the law correct??

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Originally posted here by paulie walnuts
Clinton was by far the absolute worst President this country has ever seen. Anyone who defends his actions should be questioned!

For God's sake he is a perjurer! Gee, let's see, that is against the law correct??

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I am assumeing you hate Nixon, Regon, Agnu, Liddy, North (I would trhow in Ragon but with alzhimers he very well may not have remembered aything...in which case he was an unfit president.) with the same passion then correct?

RoadClosed: my probelm with bush is not the lieing, I expect a politition to lie its part of the job, its the hipocracy...if you claim to have a higher standard you must expect to be held to that. He claimed he would bring integraty back to the presidency (its been disaperred around andrew jaksons terms.) his continued blatent lies after that statement are what causes me to dislike him

oh my bad, I got the impression you hated him since he started running for a political office.
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Originally posted here by paulie walnuts
For God's sake he is a perjurer! Gee, let's see, that is against the law correct??

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And your beloved George Washington not only misled the public about having a mistress, but kept kept an army of slaves to boot. Let's see, that's morally detestable, correct??

A lot of presidents have done far worse things than possibly, depending on your personal definition of 'sexual relations', committed perjury. Try frying the bigger fish first.