Breaking news: Saddam is captured

Glacier you take nationalism/patriotism to the level of well stupidity...
Now correct me if im wrong but you are inferring that if we dont support the war in Iraq that we are well terrorists? Taking that stance what does that make all of the innocent children who arent old enough to give a damn? Obviously they dont support the war, does this mean they are against you thus making them terrorists? Hell if thats the case then more than half the world is made up of terrorists, lets get rid of em all for they may very well infringe on your freedoms one day. Nuke the bastards!!
btw... are you military or ex-military? or perhaps someone in your family?

in conclusion think before you speak, not everyone holds your views.

I would argue that they did indeed find weapons of mass destruction...... Uday and Qusay Hussein (sounds like mutated pig-latin), and finally, Saddam himself.

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No offence tonybradley but if you believe everything that the media throws at you then it's the equivalent of living in a fairy tell world. If you haven't noticed the media has ways of manipulating things and making you believe things that aren't not true.

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With all due respect- WTF are you talking about- or even referring to??? I think I have stated time and again that I don't believe a thing the media puts in front of me pretty much. The media does not have the balls to report the truth and only says nice, warm and fuzzy things about Bush. Even when they do (gasp!) say something against the regime it is generally with pulled punches and off the mark from the real deception and corruption. I am curious where you picked up anything that led you to believe that I follow what the media says.

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For a lot of you it's easy to critizice a politician. I wonder why that is. Have you ever wonder how hard it is for a president to run a country and to try and please everyone at the same in the process. Next time take a little bit of time to think how hard his job is.

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Cry me a river. This is America - so first of all I can criticize if I choose. Even people with uneducated and ill-informed "opinions" have the right to express them. Second, I have a hard time pitying the man.

I am sure its hard to take all those hundreds of millions from Enron supporting your campaign knowing how the people are getting ****ed. It must be difficult placing Baker in charge of restructuring Iraq's finances so that he can cover for the Saudi's and make sure the Saudi royal family gets their millions first. I am sure its very difficult to promise fiscal responsibility while building a record deficit budget - increasing spending while giving tax dollars back to the people. It is very hard to sell your soul to corporate America - making money on top of money - in exchange for the safety, stability and well-being of the country you're supposed to be running.

I don't blame GW personally for all of that though. Personally, I think he's too dumb to come up with even the most stupid of policies he has put forth or decisions he is alleged to have made. I think he is more or less a puppet for a team of moronic, self-serving *******s. I also don't entirely blame the Republicans- its a politician thing, not a Republican one. The Clinton's weren't exactly free from corruption either.

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And if you dont support the war on terror(Iraq) you are a terrorist.

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Well- there's at least one who bought the Golden Gate Bridge and the beach front property in Nebraska. Do you know any other propaganda, or is that the only one you've memorized so far?

I dont like BUSH, i support Saddam, because BUSH poked his ugly nose in the middle of their oil.I dont believe Saddam was captured, because if you look at the "JUST-CAPTURED" and then the "JUST-SHAVEN" pictures and compare, you will see that Saddam has a VERY PALE skin(facal) in "JUST-CAPTURED" but in "JUST-SHAVEN" his skin was darker and REDDER.


I believe Bush are Munipilation AMERICA, he controls the world,this is
BUSH ss SLAYER said:
" We'll force you to be
nice to each other,
We'll kill you before
you kill one another"

No offence but you seem to take things very personally. Of course you have the right to critizice whoever you wish and want. I am in no way trying to put you down for we all have different opinions. But I still think that Saddam had plenty of time to step-down and stop what he was doing.

As for weapons of mass destruction. Do some of you actually want them to come out walking with nukes in hand. And say "here they are". I'm pretty sure that if Saddam has them he would not be stupid enough to leave them laying around. I am pretty sure that Saddam has friends in high places that could have hidden them for him.

Trust me I know how it feels to live in a country of corruption. I come from a country in Central America and know first hand what war is like. For the first 7 years of my life that is what I experienced. It may not be the same type of war but it is a war. Especially when you have a corrupt government and a leader who doesn't care about what the people think.

But it is good that they got him. Now he can be tried for a lot of the dispicable things that he has done to his people and many others. I just hope that he is not giving the lethal injection or anything like that. Instead they should just put him in seclusion for the rest of his life. That's all ....

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Originally posted here by tonybradley
I don't agree that its a "dig at the people who opposed the war". It is frustrating and infuriating that he would use it as justification, but in order to be a "dig" it would have to somehow validate his decisions - which it doesn't.

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No, what you mean is that *you* think it doesn't validate his decisions, but to George Bush it will be an opportunity to turn round to the anti-war people and say 'I was right all along'. Now I'm not saying that Bush was right in his decision or to use Saddam's capture as an excuse to justify his actions, but I do think that is how he will react. After all, he's a politician - something like this is a godsend to him.

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It isn't just the press that has latched on to the WMD- that is what they sold. That was their ace in the hole and the only justification they offered for invading a country unprovoked. They have tried to spin it every which way since then- its about freedom and democracy for Iraq, its about their (alleged) ties with Al Qaeda, its about his crimes against humanity- anything to make it about something other than the fabricated evidence they originally used to sell it (not that anyone bought, but they sold it that way and went forth under that guise even without support).

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I agree that the excuse of WMD was not justification for invading Iraq - because I honestly didn't believe that there were any weapons to be found (and anyway, we gave Saddam enough warning to move any weapons he did have before we sent UN inspectors in). However, whilst I don't agree with the reason for going to war, I do agree with the action taken. Perhaps the politicians have ulterior motives, but I'm just glad to see that a ruthless dictator who tortured and murdered thousands of innocent people has finally been removed from power and put in a position where he can no longer cause misery to others.

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I served in the armed forces and I only partially agree with this. When you join you swear to uphold the Constitution and defend the United States. Attacking another nation unprovoked using fabricated evidence as justification doesn't really fall into those categories.

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Surely there is something in the Constitution that states you should not stand by and let innocent people die at the hands of a ruthless criminal when there's something you can do about it? Isn't there something about upholding freedom and democracy, not only in the US but in the rest of the world? Besides, as the world's greatest superpower you surely have a responsibility to help those in need?

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I'm just counting down the days until election day and keeping the faith that the American population isn't dumb enough to elect the bastard twice.

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IIRC, you didn't elect him last time. ;)

Oh, and to the pathetic lamer who decided to neg me for my previous post, I say only this: learn to appreciate other people's opinions, even if you don't agree with them. I am sick and tired of the current attitude whereby anyone who says anything that is not pro-American must be wrong. You really need to get out of your closed society and realise that there are other people on this planet besides yourselves.

Sigh. I knew I should have moved this here when it first appeared.

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Originally posted here by MsMittens
I am many things but a terrorist no. I do not inflict terror on my citizens, making them afraid to speak their minds even if they disagree with me. I would challenge you as being that. You suggest that no one should be allow to challenge the present US gov't. I think the last time I saw something like that it was in 1984 or Animal Farm. I guess some pigs are more "equal" than others eh?

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It was Animal Farm, demonstrating that power corrupts people even when they start out with the best of intentions.

Hey, I enjoy a political debate much as the next person but considering this is all opinion and this is such a touchy issue maybe we can keep the AP's out of this thread? I have seen one person with mad pos AP and one with mad neg AP. Really, this is an opinion. The AP system was created to crediate those with valid information as so and for us to weed out those who do not. I have seen nothing but opinions and the one who was negged was just relating facts. Please, lets keep the AP's out of this post so anyone with an opinion will not be afriad of posting. Debates only happen when everyone is willing to share there opinions, no matter if its far left or right.


hjack

hjack: good point, and exactly what I was trying to say in one of my previous posts.

It's at times like this when I wish Cosmos was invite-only, if only to keep the closed-mind American nationists out so people can have a proper debate without being negged for stating their opinions.