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wasn't some random theif and murder promised a place in heaven (for that matter look at the lives of the apostials prior to jesus.)
as for the seperation of church and state...that dosn't mean my personaly beleifs have to be seperated, those of you who fall on the right have never seen to relise that the wall works both ways, our current presidents use of "faith" to controll and minipulate people disgusts me.
But is so much more fun to only work the wall in one direction. I mean if I actually considered both sides, then I could no longer be a single minded, pig-headed, republican oppressionist.
You are right about the theif and murderer. I've got the forgiveness thing down it's the forgeting that I have trouble with. Kind of like the old addage of "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!" I'm not saying this is right, just one of my personal failings.
Just want to say thanks to everybody who contributed to this poll both by voting and by giving their view points.
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