Hypocrisy?

The US should not be in the position of "World Police" at all.

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You're right, no nation deserves to be exterminated, not even the Muslim nations you hate so much.

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I am not sure why people hate the Muslim nations. Yes most/all terrorists from the Middle East are Muslim, but not all Muslims are terrorists.

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Define wrong reasons. It's all perspective. I'm sure Palestinians would believe that Israel has intentions of using WMDs for the wrong reasons. Heck, they seem to be intent on killing any peace plan and have no interest in compromise and sharing (that all purpose concept we got taught as kindergardeners). Personally, North Korea is less likely to use them than Israel. Israel has gone even further hardcore than I thought they would and it is making the Middle East even more unstable.

But maybe it's me...

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Isreal is directly making the region unstable, but the US started it. Someone had the brilliant idea after WWII to carve out a small portion of countries that hate Jews and have "Jew haterS" on three sides and water to their backs. The US is quite hypocratic, and has been. The way our foreign policy of do whatever suits at the moment; the CIA makes these situations, then makes another when trying to clean up the last. This will go on for a very, very long time. The US needs to change its foreign policy, a lot.

-Cheers-

north korea won their last war (kinda) but either way they didn't have a clause in a surrender agreement forbidding them from makes weapons above a certain kill range. their only breaking un agreements. and as for "where are the WMD?"...where are the ones they got from us? we know they got those. we gave them to them. i know, they forgot! but this isn't crank case oil that might eventually harm the fishies. these are things you remember where you dump them cause you might need to build a palace there someday.

unfortunatly gore if we just pulled out (again) anyone that acted like they supported us would be butchered. just like they were the last two times

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Originally posted here by Tedob1
unfortunatly gore if we just pulled out (again) anyone that acted like they supported us would be butchered. just like they were the last two times

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Every time someone pulls out SOMEONE gets mad ;)

My ex GF for example...

Anyway, maybe if people put the guns down and opened there minds and mouth instead we wouldn't have so many problems. I have a few friends that came here from Arabic countries, all of those people don't hate Americans.

I'm against gun control, and even I say put the thing down and talk.

I'd love to visit some of these countries. And not just because Opium is sold on street markets either....OK so that's half the reason but I'd still like to see the country.

A Canadian friend of mine I go to school with said to open google and type "failure" without quotation marks, and click on "I'm feeling lucky".

He also said to do the same with "WOD" or something like that. It seemed on topic as you all should get a laugh out of it.

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He also said to do the same with "WOD" or something like that. It seemed on topic as you all should get a laugh out of it.

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You mean WMD and "I'm feeling lucky". Good 404 page. :D

If all the country's with WDM's are EVIL,

then wath the hell is the u.s. itself?

And even if the U.S. has no weapons of mass destruction or something close to those
it still has a larger miletary force than any other country. It will not allow any other
country to develop a force that can compete with theirs. They have the largest budget
for their military than any other country in fact it has a larger military budget then my country
has tax income.

And the most stupid thing is they have a moron who likes to play with his 'tin' soldiers
as a president. And our prime minister is kissing his but.

I am dead serious that the way the u.s. is trying to be king of the world. Is going to get
a downfall within my lifetime. Wether it's war, ban economy or something else this situation
will not last for a much longer time.

... That's why come election time us American's need to vote AGAINST BUSH!! :D

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Originally posted here by rcgreen
The lines between good and evil are drawn as clearly in this
conflict as they have been in any other major war in human history.

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OK... Interesting viewpoint. But there are very few occasions in history where the lines of good and evil are drawn. This is not one of them. You make another point about the USSR in the 40's, now let me remind you of something, STALIN! Stalin was far worse then Hitler ever could be, he killed more of his own people and exercised more control than Hitler did, so while Hitler is the spawn of satan, Stalin is satan himself. The only redeeming feature about Stalin - he is finally dead.

The simple fact is that Israel is just as violent as any other country in the middle east, if not more so. Israel kills at least many hundred Palestinians in a year, yet you never hear about that, do you? Its always about Israel, poor israel, frankly Israel has got nothing to lose and everything to gain, if they ever get their back against the wall can you guess who will show up? The good ol' US of A, why? Because much of the media is run by people of the Jewish faith, therefore Israel has A LOT more support than any other country in the ME. It is my belief that Iraq was only invaded for four reasons:
1) So Bush junior could avenge daddy Bush.
2) Because it would close off oil companies in Iraq so more of Bush's oil would go to market (Yes, his family and friends do own some oil fields)
3) So that Iraqis oil could be sold and benefit the US with its sales.
4) Cause it was much more saleable to the american public then invading some other country in ME.

Just wait till election time. He probably has Osama in his closet locked up. Right before election time he will pop him out like "Look what I got!".

hey don't lay the creation of israil on our feet, that train wreck has the brits finger prints all over it. At the time the US was agenst the idea

“I'm sure Palestinians would believe that Israel has intentions of using WMDs for the wrong reasons. Heck, they seem to be intent on killing any peace plan and have no interest in compromise and sharing..”

Hamas has rejected peace offers, even when endorsed by Yasser Arafat. Israel has given in on most demands except removing Israel citizens from homes already built in Gaza and Golan Heights. I would be interested in alternative viewpoints as to how Israel has killed all methods toward peace offers?

“I dunno about CK but I think shoving the lot of them into a tiny closet and whoever survives gets to keep theirs seems like a good idear.”

Israel has already fought off Egypt, Syria, Jordan and more all at the same time and then in smaller wars until the late 60s. I would place money on Israel.

“Now, if I was Muslim I don't know how safe I'd feel walking in Israel. Even as a Catholic I wouldn't feel safe. And Israel ain't no saintly nation. It has it's fair share of violence and encouraging violence.”

There is a large Muslim population in Israel, they also let Muslims visit by the millions because, like Catholics the land is holy to all. Israel is (in my opinion) very gracious in letting men and woman of faith visit the land, even when faced with the possibility one may be the next suicide bomber. I have had 2 things in Israel, the best steak ever, and the best human encounter of my life with a wonderful student in Tel Aviv. Catholics and other Christian faiths come in droves, and are welcome and admired. Even an agnostic or borderlin perma-atheist like me was welcome. Normal policy unrelated to whites and blacks, basically says. If you had WMD and haven’t used them for evil, like say gassing an entire village of Kurds in northern Iraq, then you can use them, assuming you had them before a Non-proliferation treaty was signed. Am I to understand that that treaty should be abolished?

“It's takes a big man to stand up to a terrorist. It takes a bigger man to turn their check and walk away.”

They are counting on that. I am sure Hamas will never send a young female into a parade in Israel and blow up a school band if you walk away and stop engaging them. In fact when 911 happened; exactly what were we doing that justified mass destruction on a scale not seen since WW2? Did we have our back turned? Was our back to the Muslim countries? To Isreal? To Europe? What on Earth could justify that? In fact there is a proceeding here in the 911 commision that is saying just that. Bush turned his back and did not take the first step in "Standing" up, while at the same time the same people are critizizing what he did do after the attack. Talk about the word hipocracy?

“I suppose that means that Sadam would have been left in peace if he was more frendly with the US and it wouldn't have matter whatever else he was doing.”

I would imagine he would have been left in peace if he hadn’t invaded Kuwait and as gore put it toward a different objective, Ass Raped their people. Been defeated and then found to have had a very large training camp and several weapons programs being tested on his own people who trusted him. Not even arguing justification on the current war but Sadam would be in a very different place in his gold palaces if he had altered history by staying put.

“Rcgreen...you obviously havent been in a jewish geheto...more over ask a reform jewish women if she feels safe when she tries to pray in israel”

I think he was saying there aren’t militant Jewish people running around the globe killing Olympic athletes and bombing trains. Of course it’s not safe in Israel, have you seen the mass media news? Just walking to a bus station means you are rolling the dice that Hamas will KILL you. There are Christians praying in Isreal all the time, I am sure this woman may not have the same social status, but she would be imprisoned in some muslim countries, others tolerate Christians but rarely Jews. Hmm now that I think about it I am not sure I have ever seen a Jewish faith center in any hard Muslim country. Don’t hold me to it but I don’t recall one outside of Turkiye. Saw some in Instanbul one weekend.

“Isreal is directly making the region unstable, but the US started it. Someone had the brilliant idea after WWII to carve out a small portion of countries that hate Jews and have "Jew haterS"”

That is more likely the Brits and the revered United Nations. Why can’t the Arabs leave Israel to peace? Why didn’t they all divide the land as intended and not attack one another?

“I'd love to visit some of these countries. And not just because Opium is sold on street markets either....OK so that's half the reason but I'd still like to see the country.”

You should make a point, they are my favorite places on the planet. In fact based on some gauge of your personality, I would bet you would find a niche in a street market and perhaps never leave. If you earn the trust and respect of someone then nothing, is forbidden. Even in the strictest of societies, public and private matters of religion are often overlooked. But the penalty for open display of opium is stiff. In fact many areas don’t feed prisoners, so if you don’t have an agreement with family for food you starve. Or course a 10 in the pocket will Aleve just about anything as long as some political upshot isn’t vying for the sway of people at the time. We all see bad things in Israel and Arabs countries, in many cases those are justified and at the same time, I would rather visit areas of great majesty and beauty in Iraq and Turkiye, and even Jordan than Disney Land. These are countries where man can be man. Not a scaled down westernized politically correct male shadow. Oh and there is a reason they keep woman in those Black robes, they are incredibly beautiful. Just don’t EVER disrespect one in public.

Peace all. Some winded comments. Like many in the Arab world I do not see eye to eye with those we label terrorist in the sense of private armies bent on destroying either a sub culture or a culture outside their domain.