IBM goes slow on XP update

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What I am thinking is that IBM is going to pick out specific packages/ updates from the long list that they know will work and not cause problems later on and then install them afterwards, I also believe that IBM is not going to attempt to reverse engineer any of the code that is in the service packs unless they have written permission from microsoft to do so.

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Yep, that's the $10 million question. When I installed SP2, there was really no way to pick and choose what applications to install. Since as a end user cannot modify it, that was kind of a let down, but hey, it happens.

And yeah I agree that it is a good idea to test the **** before deploying it. You see, some people say "ooo oooo oooo it's new and neat!!!" and install it right away, which is fine, but there are also people that take things cautiously and methodically. Maybe IBM is doing that...

I am still waiting for a response from MS and IBM :)

**Kicks pooh in the face again**

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Why?" So MS is actually doing IBM a favor

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Most likely to a flaver of a couple hundred million dollars. MS doesn't even give out their "Approved for Windows" stamp of approval without a price. Competitors flop that on their boxes all the time. Microsoft will even play mammas bitch for a while then slap you down when you get too big. Ever heard of Digital Equipment Corp? They will even sue one part of a company while working with another division. It's business, and money is the motivation. IBM has HUGE amounts of windows licensing fees, as stated if they won't work with IBM then perhaps IBM will either cross platforms or counter sue. It's tricky.

In case you didn't see my edit, check out previous post sbout money.

The article states MS will modify the source to possibly fit IBM needs, perhaps they even have Microsoft working within IBM, that is typical to have competitors working inside an organization to work on projects. Why, 100 million that's why. :)

Finally some companies do have access to MS souce code and it's NOT going to be public knowledge because those of competition secrets.

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In case you didn see my edit, check out previous post. The article states MS will modify the source to possibly fit IBM needs, perhaps they even have Microsoft working within IBM, that is typical to have competitors workin inside an organization to work on projects. Why, 100 million that's why.

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Yeah, now that makes sense. :)

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Finally some companies do have access to MS souce code and it's NOT going to be public knowledge because those of competition secrets.

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Exactly. That's what I worried about when I contacted MS about it. I was thinking why would they tell me what they are doing behind closed office doors? I expect an enigmatic answer that does not answer this question directly, but perhaps something on the lines of licensing agreements and stuff like that.

Common sense may state 2 companies could not work together but if Microsoft and IBM find a way to work together and share mutual profits, they will do so. Especially large companies with autonomous division.

Even bad blood comes together, and quite often... Couln't resist this link.

http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/xseries/windows/

Maybe this is the culprit, who knows. IBM is called BIG Blue for a reason. BIG. Notice the words "Joint Dev."

Hey, thanks for the link. See, now this little mystery is getting clearer and clearer.

Still want to Kick Poo in the face? Just joking. You will see Microsoft working with enemys all the time. Why? (another angle) MS wants no NEEDS to have Windows preinstalled on managed server deployments. They bend over backwards to get those new out of box shiny servers installed with Windows. You can see the reasoning behind that.

After reading this I do belive that microsoft has no problems with IBM modifing the source code to suit their needs/hardware

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on the shores of scenic Lake Washington in Kirkland, Wash., is just six miles west of the Microsoft campus. It is a 50,000-square-foot complex where more than 130 software engineers, test and quality specialists and enterprise solution staffers adapt Microsoft's software products to IBM hardware and provide worldwide Level 3 support for Microsoft products on IBM hardware.

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Still want to Kick Poo in the face? Just joking. You will see Microsoft working with enemys all the time. Why? (another angle) MS wants no NEEDS to have Windows preinstalled on managed server deployments. They bend over backwards to get those new out of box shiny servers installed with Windows. You can see the reasoning behind that.

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Uh huh, but like you said, it is very very touchy when the competiton starts tinkering with source code, and yeah, they will make damn sure it is right down to the iota on compliance. Another good example is the suit against IBM, SCO and Novell regarding Linux. What a mess.

They all had licensing agrements, and because SCO felt IBM was throwing in the code for SystemV in open source software they are now suing for millions and millions of dollars. While the suit is still well underway and will probably last for a long long time, this is nothing new.

And yes, it's all about the money and ruling the world. MS without a doubt have a very tight stranglehold on the market and will go to great lengths to meet thier ends.

Howver, it is still not clear to what extent IBM and MS are doing or others for that matter.

Thanks DeadAddict. I did not know IBM had a whole complex of developers to make MS more money. :)