unfortunatelly,our "pack" is larger than any other animal (except by ants and like) and we have more resources to share beyond food.
So i prefer to get my share without someone dictates (more than currently)
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unfortunatelly,our "pack" is larger than any other animal (except by ants and like) and we have more resources to share beyond food.
So i prefer to get my share without someone dictates (more than currently)
I love the way people in the U.S. just make up facts about Cuba.Quote:
cuba - marxist at the beginning, castro got corrupt after the death of his good buddy, and my hero che gueverra
First of all Cuba was not Marxist right after the revolution, in fact the embargo started even before Cuab announced that it would be a socialist country, Socialism was introduced after the revolution was judged by Castro to need a humanist character. Marxism-Leninism was practised only in the 70's after much debate.
Castro is not corrupt, hell he got 99% in the last election. Che had no influence over Castro at all, Che simply was in charge of the bank. His death in Bolivia had not too much of an effect other than making him a matryr. Rightfully so, Che is certainly one of my heroes too but to think Castro suddenly went mad with power because Che died is down right hilarious.
Lenin is the reason for all the Stalinist countries of the world, Lenin is responsible for N. Korea, well his idea's are.Quote:
Originally posted here by er0k
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Lenin was a good marxist, but not the right marxist. communism can indeed work, if it is anarcho-communism. ie the people control the people's goods, their society, etc, and work for the common good. It'd be a boring ass life, but it could work. And don't say it can't because thats utopia and its impossible. - not impossible, humankind didn't used to even domesticate animals, who says they can't form a utopian society someday :) [/B]
And before you all ask I am no communist/Marxist but I do support the Cuban people's right to exist in whatever way the want, so handd's off America!
Yes Cuba is a lovely free society. People want to stay there. Those people in the boats are from Haiti?
After about 40 years of embragos it is fairly hard to survive in the place. There are a lot of people leaving Cuba for other reasons than political ones.
One of the reasons Castro is so popular is because he hasnt giving in to US pressure and also he defeated a hostile invading army. Americas position on Cuba is just a useless left over from the cold war.
How many people do you think stay in Cuba? A hell of a lot more than try to leave.Quote:
Originally posted here by RoadClosed
Yes Cuba is a lovely free society. People want to stay there. Those people in the boats are from Haiti?
Respect for human rights can be measured by the way a society treats its children for instance. If you compare Cuba’s achievements with other third world countries then it is impossible to speak of a Cuban culture characterised by oppression and violence.
All education is free and compulsory through to the third year of secondary school.
Everyone has access to free medical care.
The plague of child prostitution, which is spreading in other third World countries, is non-existant in Cuba.
Infant mortality rate in Latin American is often more than 60 per 1000 births, in Cuba it is 7.9 per 1000 live births. In real terms this figure means that the lives of thousands of babies are saved each year.
Adults can expect to live to at least 75 years.
Everyone has been given the possibility to work and all citizens enjoy social protection.
Most people leave Cuba because of the material aspect of things. Not because they are being persecuted.
Now, I won't bother arguing this if you have no evidence to back up your claims beyond what you've heard in a speech by some Republican congressman who has never read a scholarly account of the Cuban revolution in his life.
Ennis, I alot of what I comment on is first hand experience. While I have never been to Cuba I have been to haiti, and every island in the area and talked to many Cubans over mohito and churrasco. I have watched them demonstrate their dislike for what castro has done to their country from their point of view. As he ages he desires perhaps a better stance on the world but his life has been long and deeds done. Mmmm you should visit Miami some day and delight in those offerings. But if you want some view outside of my bias then here are some links:
http://www.autentico.org/oa09532.php
http://www.nocastro.com/embargo/decept.htm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/LatinAmerica/wm347.cfm
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/eu...elgium.castro/
On the flip most pro Castro sites come out of Cuba, and there are many anti embargo sites because they believe it keeps Castro in power, go figure. Most Cubans in America want Castro killed. They are that pissed. Not to mention I have seen Cuban TV and it's full of **** spouting out complete lies of current world events. Much like the once infamous TASS or the Irai foreign minister. Remember that guy, lol. I jest a little because the lies are so flagrant they are comical
btw show me a third world country where prostitution is prevelent that is NOT a socialist state in the stance where health care and welfare are provided to all. Oh in the United States if you are sick and walk into a hospital they WILL treat you. Some won't that is true but they are private and they can FO. State, religious and ethnic managed hopitals will not turn you away. If you are in an accident and it's an emergency ALL will treat you. It's ironic because that is why health care is expensive here.
Here is an interesting quote from your first link on castro being tried for war crimes.
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In the wake of devastating hijacker attacks on New York and Washington, Klayman said it was in the "best interests" of the Belgian government to support the case.
"As George W. Bush said, either you're with us or against us," he said.
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I suspose that as long as the belgian courts dont find Castro guilty of war crimes the US will tax all Tulip sales at 100%. :D
Damn .... Tulips are already EXPENSIVE. I love the things. Just bought 800 bulbs (heck it's worth it).
If the president right now were to just up and embrace Castro in a big old Kiss, he would have the entire southern coast of Florida in riot. That is the American reality. It seems Belgium uses the exuse that in order for Cuban citezen to find support for their cause then they only get it becayse of 9.11? Really is that the take on these war crime trials? Dog and pony shows in Belgium?
BTW the US does gives some leeway in sanctions. Food etc is traded. If castro really loved his country and not power he would step down and form a new government and live in peace. The us gains NOTHING in current trade restriction with Castro outside of principle. I find it Ironic, everyone wishing the US stayed out of their lives, but in this case wishing the us would take up a role with cuba. lol.
This is my problem with the U.S. view of Cuba, for example the people who leave Cuba obviously dislike Castro, especially in Miama, most of them were forced out of Cuba. Some had their companies nationalized etc. Of course they hate Cuba, I am not disputing that, I would dispute the fact that the majority of Cuban's dislike Castro.
I mean it would not be difficult to take down Castro in Cuba, the U.S. has been sending people to do it for a long time, trying to start a counter revolution, they even broadcast a radio station into Cuba yet for some reason nothing is done. In 1992 when there was a vote (Cuban democracy being a hell of a lot different than usual models) Castro got 99% per cent of the vote. Now if you look at the history of the revolution Castro is often referred to as the padre, he is essentially the leader of the revolution, there is nobody to replace him as of yet.
The Cuban's are a country who have sought independance from the U.S. after successfully getting rid of the Spanish for almost a hundred years, they do not want the U.S. interfering, they want to do what most countries are allowed to do in the world, decide their own fate.
Leeway eh?
THE IMPACT OF THE U.S. EMBARGO ON HEALTH AND NUTRITION IN CUBA
Denial of Food and Medicine
A Report from the American Association for World Health / March 1997
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"After a year-long investigation, the American Association for World Health (AAWH) has determined that the U.S. embargo of Cuba has dramatically harmed the health and nutrition of large numbers of ordinary Cuban citizens. As documented by the attached report, it is our expert medical opinion that the U.S. embargo has imposed significant burdens on the Cuban health care system. But since 1992 the number of unmet medical needs - patients going without essential drugs or doctors performing medical procedures without adequate equipment- was further tightened by the 1992 Cuban Democracy Act."
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"Recently four factors have dangerously exacerbated the human effects of this 37-year-old trade embargo. All four factors stem form little-understood provisions of the U.S. Congress' 1992 Cuban Democracy Act (CDA):
1) A Ban on Subsidiary Trade Beginning in 1992, the Cuban Democracy Act imposed a ban on subsidiary trade with Cuba. This ban has been severely constrained Cuba's ability to import medicines and medical supplies from third country sources. Moreover, recent corporate buy-outs and mergers between major U.S. and European pharmaceutical companies have further reduced the number companies permitted to do business with Cuba.
2) Licensing Under the Cuban Democracy Act, the U.S. Treasury and Commerce Departments are allowed, in principle, to license individual sales of medicines and medical supplies, ostensibly for humanitarian reasons, to mitigate the embargo's impact on health care delivery. In practice, according to U.S. corporate executives, the licensing provisions are so arduous as to have had the opposite effect. As implemented, the licensing provisions actively discourage any medical commerce. The number of such licenses granted - or even applied for since 1992- is minuscule. Numerous licenses for medical equipment and medicines have been denied on the grounds that these exports "would be detrimental to U.S. foreign policy interests.
3) Shipping Since 1992, the embargo has prohibited ships form loading or unloading cargo in U.S. ports for 180 days after delivering cargo to Cuba. This provision has strongly discouraged shippers from delivering medical equipment to Cuba. Consequently shipping costs have risen dramatically and further constricted the flow of food, medicines, medical supplies and even gasoline for ambulances. From 1993 to 1996, Cuban companies spent an additional $8.7 million on shipping medical imports from Asia, Europe and South America rather than from the neighbouring United States.
4) Humanitarian Aid Charity is an inadequate alternative to free trade in medicines, medical supplies and food. Donations from U.S. non-governmental organizations and international agencies do not begin to compensate for the hardships inflicted by the embargo on the Cuban public health system. In any case, delays in licensing and other restrictions have severely discouraged charitable contributions from the U.S."