I think the Terrorists are gonna get ****ed up really bad!....I also think they didn't think the world was going to react to their terrorist acts....so now they're screwed.
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I think the Terrorists are gonna get ****ed up really bad!....I also think they didn't think the world was going to react to their terrorist acts....so now they're screwed.
We show a little support for him, maybe he'll return the favor. That's the best way to do it IMO... You get what you give...Quote:
with five terrorist attacks in russia in the past two weeks and given the fact that over one third of the attackers in the school were arabs kinda of sets putins hands free. he really couldn't act before because he declared the conflict in Chechnia over, now he can start a war against terror. it would be nice if he'd show a little more support for ours.
when the incident first occured bush offered any support that was needed. but of course if he accepted any outside support it would really be showing weakness to the russian people.
most of the nations around the world including the nations in the EU are behind putin 100% even the french. of course the EU itself doesn't think it was handled properly.
Kinda harsh words there?! according to a few reuters and sapa-ap reports, less than 3% of the chechen population want independance. more than 96% just want to live a peaceful life. so now, with your logic, whom gets hunted and killed here? are all chechens to be painted with the same brush?! if 10 poeple are congregating in an area and one pulls out a gun, the other 9 happen to share his custom and traditions but not his aims. how many of them will be deemed as ok to injure and kill as part of collatorel damage to get the 1 person who has the gun?!Quote:
Originally posted here by rcgreen
The USA has not been involved in Chechnya in any way. In fact, still affected
by Cold War thinking, we have criticized and found fault with Russia the
whole time this has been going on. The last time a portion of the USA tried to
secede (1860-1865), the government ruthlessly crushed them with much
loss of life, both military and civilian. Any foriegn nations that offered
criticism were politely told to STFU.
Russia has had a knife at her throat ever since the fall of communism.
Every shitball Islamic province has declared jihad. Chechnya has no more right to
be a soverign nation than does South Carolina or Alabama.
When John Wilkes Booth assassinated Lincoln, he was hunted down like a dog
and done away with. Do these Islamic monsters deserve any better?
The only thing the USA needs to do is stay out of it. Apparently, it takes a
lot of provocation to fully arouse the Russian Bear, but, in the end, Russia
will defend herself. The Chechens richly deserve whatever they have
coming.
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After 10 yrs of war, the result is that this situation is very complicated. russian goverment has even admitted that it lied and withheld info from the public abouth this incident. what i would like to know is, why were they not as effective at protecting their peoples by throwing down a complete cordone. some of the terrorists escaped. they used their special forces, but why not the spietnats?!
Liberties are important, no matter who you are, or what your beliefs are. if you shut me up, why should i respect you?! and for that matter you me... i believe that with further polarisation, middle ground will be lost....that would be the real shame, you killed 312 of my peoples, here hold this nuclear bomb ............... you know, perhaps something can come from this, something like peace, what the caterpillar calls the end of the world, we call a butterfly ............
I remeber watching a Gene Hackman/Will Smith movie in which Gene Hackman's character says these words "use what you have to your advantage. they are heavy and slow, you are light and fast ......." I would venture that it would be difficult. these are not random acts ala suicide bombings, these are well thought out and planned endeavours. the school the pulling up of floor boards that revealed hidden weapons etc ...... they may catch 1 or 2. the garbage that these fanatics eat up as truth, and what makes the fanatic such, should be combatted. these people clearly are devoid of our accepted rules of engagement, hence the word terror. i mean, hello, saddam's boys drop their fatigues for civies and attack the troops while in civies. now if troopers shoot and kill by standers, then wow, world look at US, the killer, more fodder for fanatics to be told about etc ....... look at the garbage that they fed that richard reid guy, the shoe bomber wannabe. Or the Lund (The american taliban?) Guy. the west is losing the propoganda war. they feel what they do is justified. "the end justifies the means" to the extreme .......Quote:
Originally posted here by Cybr1d
I think the Terrorists are gonna get ****ed up really bad!....I also think they didn't think the world was going to react to their terrorist acts....so now they're screwed.
they are not worried about the worlds reaction, they are showing their desperation at what they wish to achieve. if russian populous says no more, let them be independant, the fanatics win. they are waging a psychological war, just as much as they a guerrilla war. if people dont feel safe, due to a certain situation, they will want that issue resolved to bring back a semblance of normality. war is ugly, it is violent and brutal....... i watched people die here, friends, family. we have a democracy for only 10 yrs in south africa.....
Whoever built this site appears to have done some extensive searching on verses from the Koran that condone the killing of all except Muslims. This is an eye opener guys.
My take: There may be Moderate Muslims that follow Islam, but the Islamic religion itself is anything but Moderate.
http://www.demonbuster.com/islam.html
Lol Tiger I back paddle now... this century meaning the last 100 years. Not necessarily the 20th versus 21st century. ;) But my point was a country bigger and more armed than U.S., can take their own issue to heart. Premiere Putin WAS the former Administer of KGB he’s not just a shadow politician. His problem is he let public opinion sway his actions in the form of "sensitivity". He is correct at stating the weak get killed. We learned that a few years ago and to this day people don’t get it. Even with 14 or so major conflicts in the world right now all related to the same MO.Quote:
Which century?
I have only seen the few pictures of the school that have filtered to the net in various societies. I can only imagine what he feels seeing an "unedited" version. What little I saw forced me to go for a walk in order to clear my mind. And this was not the ONLY attack on the people of Russia. I fear the KGB has a new motive to realign it's assets to protect what is left of Russia. Much like the CIA? Hmmm, this could be an argument in the remnants of the old Pollet Bureau as to why controlled communism and reduction of freedom is better. Ironic?
The west likes to prop up every little separatist group that claims “dependence” as the answer to a mass evil they envision. Switching gears to blankly move opinion on their course, with no thought of previous historical reference or future outcomes. Why? Because next week they'll be on to something else. Perhaps holding a sign in New York that reads "Where is Hinckley when you need him?" Intelligence fails those people.
If it were not for nukes the soviets would have destroyed us. They don't need help from a little brother in terms of might. Where the US will fit in is obvious. We will offer a precious commodity; data.
Overdue I will go over the Quran during the next couple of days and find those quotes. I also want to see what else it says around it. The Quran just like the Bible, is not to be taken literally, which I'm afraid that is what these fanatics are doing.Quote:
Whoever built this site appears to have done some extensive searching on verses from the Koran that condone the killing of all except Muslims. This is an eye opener guys.
My take: There may be Moderate Muslims that follow Islam, but the Islamic religion itself is anything but Moderate.
http://www.demonbuster.com/islam.html
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Thanks Cybr1d.
I don't own a copy of the Quran. ;) And you may very well be correct, since my opinions on the Quran are built more on heresay and pointedly pulled quotes. I look forward to seeing what you dig up.
these fanatics are ready for a world wide holy war. the reason they preformed such a heinous act was not because they didn't expect this reaction but because they wanted it. they want russia and the christian world to react with such outrage as to incite the non-extreamist muslims into joining with them. what are the alternatives...not take any action and let them have their way with the world. im sure everyone will procede with caution but become the target of more heinous acts in the process. looks like it might really be party time.
while the 97% want peace they dont necessarly want to go out of their way to stop the 3% and wouldn't be that very upset if the 3% got what they wanted. a great many in fact would be rather pleased although they really dont want the chaos. those in charge know the consequences of what this course of action the extreamist want to take will bring but i doubt they'll get the co-operation necessary to keep it under control although i hope they do.
what are the alternatives too playing global thermo-nuclear war and i dont mean this as a retorical question.
to add a little perspective:
http://archive.tconline.org/stories/jan02/map.html