Nearly Half in U.S. Want Curb on Muslim-Americans' Rights

A lot of you seem to be missing the actual point of the poll. Leaving aside for the moment the accuracy of the poll at reflecting the "american view", it wasn't meant to be taken literally AFAIK. People have been writing posts pointing out that just about everyone is already registered in multiple ways, but that isn't the point of this at all.

The poll was designed to find out the attitude of the people of america in a general sense at this moment in time. Since it was a research project conducted by research students, I'm disinclined to be as cynical as some of you fellow ao'ers. That's not to say that I accept the statistics at face value, but more that I doubt the poll was meant to be a piece of "left wing/socialist propaganda".

I'm sure that various media companies have latched onto this to create news, but I don't think that this should necessarily detract from the value of the poll itself. Even if the poll is not accurate, assuming the selection of people asked was not doctored in such a way that would influence the results, the results are slightly worrying. You may dismiss that last point by quoting the scale of the poll, but just look at the posts we've had to this thread, and you'll already see at least one american who is completely anti-islam. I'm not attempting to say that this reflects on the rest of americans, but I would still say it is quite worrying.

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If the poll is not accurate as stated, then it has no value. Outside of pure speculation and discussion of posibilities. Alot of Americans are anti-christian as well.

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Emmmmm Muslims too Celebrate Christmas as the Birthday of their Prophet Jeasus Christ

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You are joking right? :)

Hi RoadClosed ,

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Originally posted here by RoadClosed
You are joking right? :)

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No i am not ... :) .

But They Don't celebrate the Way Christians do ...............Muslim Freinds i Know do celebrate Christmas ..............That Day they read The Holy Koran Where he is mentioned and remember him .................and make Cakes To mark his BirthDay ........... :)

--Good Luck--

They have been Americanized! J In the Middle East one will find no evidence of Christmas Celebration, EVEN though Jesus is understood to be the one identified as the Messiah and mentioned repeatedly in the Qur’an. But there is a large rift in what Jesus is to Christianity and what he is to Islam. And that could take a long time to explain. ;)

But basically Jesus was no more than a messenger of god and did not act on his own; but by the hand of god himself and not by Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus was not divine and not the Son of God in a sense we understand in the west, but more like the way Adam is a “child” of god even though the Qur’an recognized that Jesus was born of Marry the virgin and had no human father. Neither did Adam, you see? Oh and that leads into the paradox of even Christian beliefs on whether The Christ was god or a man or both, and if Jesus was The Christ, so I’ll stop now.

However I almost forgot; Muslims in a true sense do not celebrate Christmas. The “prophet Jesus” birthday scenario is entirely new and in most cases generated to keep children happy in a western world dominated by our culture. My friends put lights up over here but never over there. And like all matters of religious faith different sects of Islam will treat Christmas and the relationship of the Qu’ran and Jesus the Prophet differently. And even when they participate is western traditions, they do not celebrate “Christmas” merely the birth of a beloved prophet. Most Muslims will explain to their children that Christmas is a holiday for Christian friends (in America) and not a holiday of Muslims. Some are even starting to apply traditions of Christmas to Ramadan (which on a personal note is an awesome holiday).

Hah! RoadClosed,

Just when you thought that you had gotten away with it :D

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Since lets say the 17th century: how many right wing Christian dictators have we had on the planet? Anyone? Zero? 1 or 2? Can't think of any?

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OK, after the 17th Century came the 18th?.............1701-1800

Try the Kings of France, Spain, Portugal, Brandenburg-Prussia, and England, The Tsar (Czar) of Russia,..............

Later................Francisco Franco of Spain (1936~)...........Dr Salazar of Portugal.....................need any more?

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Ha! I had considered those. To me they were liberal in a moral sense, had very little if no faith in god and used the Church to propagate their tyranny. :D You are telling me the rulers of France were god fearing conservatives? :D The Church had very little power by this time. It is just after the renaissance. I chose my time frame carefully but I am definitely no scholar.

One of the best music cds released in 2004 was Green Day...the "American Idiot".

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Zieg Heil to the president gas, man,
Bombs away is your punishment,
Pulverize the Eiffel towers,
Who criticize your government,
Bang, Bang goes the broken glass, man,
Kill all the fags that don't agree,
Trials by fire setting fire,
Is not a way that's meant for me,
Just cause,
Just cause because we're outlaws, yeah!

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Kinda says it all!!

MLF

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If the poll is not accurate as stated, then it has no value.

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I would agree, but the main reason that ppl have used to argue that the poll was inaccurate was the scale of the poll. I would argue that even a relatively small amount of ppl polled could reflect the "general" view of the people in a country. It depends on how the poll was conducted, and finding out would probably involve reading the report written by the researchers.

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Green Day. I was wondering when someone was going to bring up that CD. There are a couple of other modern day punksters stiring the Bush pot as well this year.

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Not to mention gothic that the poll answers contradicted themselves if you look at the whole poll, not just questions reported. Bottom line is polls are not a great way to try and tally the desires or the consensus of 290 Million people with so much geographic diversity. They are ONLY good at generalizations, speculation and local interest. I don't have a problem with that, what I have issue with is the polls being populated across media outlets as absoolute truth. When they do that, they (to me) are intentionally misleading for a puropose. At any rate they always manage good discussion. ;)

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Christianity is just a front for bigotry, hate, anti-Semitism, anti-Catholicism, and screwing the church secretary.

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Extreme liberalism at its finest...Tolerance for all people...well...except for those on the right. But tolerance for everyone else!

Gee, and I thought christianity was about peace, love, and fullfilment? Perhaps someone misprinted my Bible and I'm out of the loop?

Hate talk sucks.