perhaps your right nihil it does make good sense but we'll probably never know for sure unless the bastages plea entrapment because the admins allowed them to get caught. i say give'em a fair trial then take'em out and hang'em :-)
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perhaps your right nihil it does make good sense but we'll probably never know for sure unless the bastages plea entrapment because the admins allowed them to get caught. i say give'em a fair trial then take'em out and hang'em :-)
Hi Everyone,
Well...I have fond memories of the days they used to strap us in school...and I got my fair share :D...
one day in particular me and a buddy were goofing around in class, got sent to the principals office where the principle had this nice inch and a half, about a quarter inch thick, piece of leather belt...
the teacher would hold your fingers while the principal would strap you until one of two things occured...until you either started wailing or at the first signs of blood...
well...we took our blood stained and red hands outside after the ordeal and in defiance pee'd on the office window...the window to the room of the principals office...of course, because he was in the room at the time, we couldn't very well deny it was us...
needless to say he was very angry :D and stormed out of the building with the strap in hand swinging it wildly as he was chasing us around the schoolyard swearing in full force in front of all the onlookers...
my buddy got caught by Mrs. SpongeBob Scarypants ( she's long dead now so she can't sue...but I changed the name to protect the guilty anyways ) ...the scariest teacher alive...nobody messed with her...one day she took a kids pants down in gym class and spanked him in front of everybody...no one bothered her after that...I was in that class so I know it's true...
well...to make a short story even shorter...we both ended up getting detention and the strap again...
Ahhhhhhh...memories of the good ole' days.
I say strap them till their hands bleed...for most kids it worked quite well...unfortunately we weren't most kids....the strap didn't even hurt after awhile, you get used to it...really!
Eg ;)
sucks that the kids are facing felony charges
my friend was using net send during school... they were taunting him with the fuzz being phoned and a 13k $ fine....
all for
net send \\T23 sup, want to hang after school?
i think they are over reacting with felony charges, but the kids are stupid if they do it AGAIN after getting caught....and getting caught AGAIN...
hacking is an art, not a jail worthy offense
stupidity is what it is.. not a fault
if you tape the passwd on the machine you deserve to get 0wn3d
im glad the sysadmin at our school lets my friend and i screw around on the net and find bugs during lunch and study hall... but most of the time we just play netris :)
expell them, id rather go to HS someplace else then jail
I worked in a high school as a support tech for 3 years. It was a fee paying school so discipline problems were lower than a state school but we still had kids screwing around with machines every day.
When we had 98 they could mess them up quite badly and they were always trying to get to porn and games around the web filter. We had a few wannabe hackers but no one with any talent.
The kids would get banned from the PCs for trying stuff, internet access would be blocked. They'd get detention and the last resort was to get the parents in.
We never ever had to get the police in for anything the kids did. The staff? That's another story.
Screwing around with the rules is what teenagers do at school. It is a bloody obvious risk along with accidental or deliberate damage to the hardware.
The kids should have been sanctioned by banning them from using the laptops and there really is no need for this to have gone to the police.
You can ask/tell/demand kids to act like adults but they are not adults they are kids.
These kids are simply being used to exercise the embarrassment of the school staff. The parents are supporting the kids as the punishment is so disproportionate. If the punishment had been more reasonable I think the parents would be supporting the school.
And all this is not mentioning that the school IT services screwed up royally by not locking down the machines and putting admin passwords on a sticker on the case.
Why not have a big button in a school that says "do not press this button".
Hexadecimal old chap, the more I look at this the deeper I think it goes.
No it doesn't. The real felons in this scenario are the parents. When the school admitted their children they signed an agreement accepting the rules of the school and the authority of the Dean. They have renaged on this agreement.Quote:
sucks that the kids are facing felony charges
These students have persistently violated the school rules in defiance of all warnings and punishments that they have received. They are openly challenging the authority of the school and the Dean, and they are being supported by their parents
The school authorities only have one disciplinary option left, which is expulsion. Given the parent's track record, the first thing they are going to do is lawyer up and go squealing to the courts. This is going to cost the school serious money and is bad publicity.
Furthermore, expelling 13 students in one go is bad publicity?, which puts the Dean in a bit of a predicament.
His solution is simple.......................as these turdbrains violated felony law, he simply has them brought before a felony court where the judge will explain the cold hard facts of life to them, and seriously fine them (which means the parents). Basically it is the parents who are on trial for refusing to provide proper parental control and guidance.
Now, I do not for one moment think that imprisonment is on the cards, unless they try to defy the court as well. I believe that pleading to a lesser (misdemeanour) charge and paying the fine will be the outcome, but I am pretty sure that removal of the student will be part of the deal.
Looking at it from the law enforcement and schools administration viewpoint, I do hope that no one is seriously suggesting that these 13 students independently engaged in the activities that they did? They are a gang and it needs to be broken up before they get into some serious mischief.
The more I look at it the more I feel that this is about egotism and small town politics, rather than computing per se.
:)
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Excellent idea!...................anyone got any spare claymore mines lying around? :DQuote:
Why not have a big button in a school that says "do not press this button".
The H-word is used to make normal computer related tasks seem exciting... used by people who don't want to admit they're just any other user out there only with a larger need for attention. This is exactly what is being displayed in and around this school.Quote:
hacking is an art, not a jail worthy offense
stupidity is what it is.. not a fault
if you tape the passwd on the machine you deserve to get 0wn3d
Unlike "l33t h4xaARz" I for one don't turn on my computer with the hopes and dreams of "being something". And yet... I'd like you to witness first-hand some of the things I've done and afterwards call it art. :rolleyes:
I remember all the hoopala surrounding corporal punishment, and how violence breeds more violence, etc...and how removing strapping from school was going to make the world a better place to live...blah....blah....blah...
the fact is the schools are less disciplined and more violent today than they ever were!
We didn't have guns or knives or gangs or unstable kids with machine guns blowing away people in the halls...at worst you got into a fight and you both got bruised up and went home.
if you did something wrong in school you knew the consequences...and usually, for most people in school the strap and a phone call to your parents was enough to deter a person from stepping too far out of line...
even us somewhat more defiant kids were more into games than anything really serious ( eg. like gore mentioning running from the police...we did stuff like that too...eg. I remember a bunch of my friends used to hang around a station ( in hiding ) and when a crusier would pull in the officers would often leave the crusiers running as they did a quick run inside...and as a rite of passage so to speak someone would ' borrow ' the crusier :D and drive it from a few feet to a couple of blocks away...then go back to the hiding spot and watch the show. )...the cops didn't appreciate it, and neither did anyone else we goofed with...but everyone understood it was just goofing...and no one ever got hurt more than their pride or a few black eyes and bruises...
All in all I think we had it a thousand times better, I certainly wouldn't want to be a kid dealing with the way things are now in school...
bring back the strap I say and within a few years the schools will have alot fewer problems.
Eg ;)
Yeah, if kids had respect for adults as they did back then. Nowadays, if you "strap" a kid, they will probably call the police or just come back to school and shoot you. Discipline should be handled at home.Quote:
bring back the strap I say and within a few years the schools will have alot fewer problems.
IMO, when i was in high school (4 years ago), the only time we thought about doing something wrong or illegal was when we were bored. Our technical classes, Oracle, Cisco, Web Design, Java were mostly taught by the same teacher. This teacher made sure the class was interesting and kept us attentive, so we really didnt think about destroying the equipment in the "good classes".
And, regardless of what anyone says, I think that taping the password onto the computer is just ignorant. :duh:
Hi Kthln01,
Wonderful sentiment but it's never been true at any age...it's always been too much...too little...or just the right amount...I try my very best in my own family to meet the middle ground of just the right amount and so far it's working well...for the most part :DQuote:
Discipline should be handled at home
Society has shifted from the values of the community to the values of the individual...before it was everyone's job, parents, school, neighborhood, etc...to keep discipline...now...you have to discipline yourself.
My mother was a neighborhood mom...meaning she not only disciplined us but any kid that stepped out of line...whether she knew them or not :D...and no one ever said boo to her about it.
Today she'd be a criminal...how messed up is that!
Eg ;)
Exactly Eg,
My grandmother was an English teacher and I have witnessed her threaten her kids with words I wont even write in a Hidden post!
Needless to say, thank god she has retired, otherwise she would be inmate #57482 :D
But as far as these teens go, wrong is wrong. Something has to be done in the form of discipline, but it's hard to say what.