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No problem. But WWI??? a war of colinization, a war of agressor vs agressor/????

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What!!..... are you serious?. you think old Adolph just wanted to get chummy with his neighbours, you don't think that was about colonization, I suppose the people in Poland figured what the hey, old friend Adolph, come and play in our country, we don't want it.

The WWI was started because of politics, an idiot decided to assasinate the Archduke of Austria Germany took offence, this sucked the rest of the world into the conflict, because France were too busy building the impregnable Maginot line (forgot to lock up when they left :D ) they didn't pay attention to what was brewing on the other side of the border.

WWI may not be as glamorous (if I can use that word on a day such as today) as the WWII, but millions of soldiers died (mostly because of twits, useless Generals and Admirals) as a result.

This war was like nothing ever before, no one knew how to fight it, it was a transition in tactics, they were throwing mounted cavalry against armoured tanks or machine gun positions, men were slaughtered like cattle, if anything was to be learned from this one, it was to minimize the casulaties for the next one, which they did as far as people in uniforms were concerned, however someone forgot to let the civilians know about it or the 6 Million jews the second time around.

The first War was the last time enemies would actually act chivalrous, sounds hard to believe, but it is true, I am sure you have heard the stories of the Trenches during Christmas when German troops and Allied tropps would exchange food and drink and even sing a long together and then on the next day take a time out, but the day after go at it again.

So I would actually if I had to choose which class of veterans to honour, pick the the ones from the WWI, these gentlemen had no idea what to expect, heck they thought they would be home by Christmas in the first year.

Oh and don't tell the Aussies that those that perished at Galipoli don't deserve some respect, what a tragic tale that is, thanks to Churchill and the idiots in the Admiralty.

Also don't tell all those Canuks that lost their lives at Vimy Ridge that they don't deserve your respect.

I didn't want to rant, but if you can't take time out to honour the dead from WWI then don't say anything at all. :mad:

Oh and just what colonial assets were Canadians, Australians,Americans,British, and a host of other Commonwealth countries were we protecting?

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dalek: get your wars right. WWII was adlof, pure war of agrssion on the germans part, came as close as any war to pitting the good guys vrs the bad guys.

WWI was the kiser in germany vs france and england and russia. Sure the dukes assassination was the match that lit the fire but those countries where basicly itching to go to war for years....no real rasons, it seems that a lot of the leaders saw war as a glorious game.

As for new tactics machinguns had been used in the spanish american war to high effect, trench warfare started in the american civil war, as did the irrelivance of caverly. Artilery had shown its dominance in some of the late 1800's euroean wars. every thing that came into play in WWI was done boefore...the generals just didn't take notice.

bb you SERIOUSLY have to get a spell checker :p

you are correct in regards to your observations on WWI WWII.
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this is NOT the thread to denigrate ANY of the fallen

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They shall not grow old as we who are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
WE WILL REMEMBER THEM.

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start your diatribe in another thread, leave this one alone, especially on THIS day .......

I am not tryign to disrespect the fallen of WWI, I a msure they where mostly brave men, but it just dson't seem right to me to venerate them, or look at them as heros. these are men who whn off to war because it would be a glorious and fun adventure, compleatly ignoreing the lessions of a few wars that had just happened (american civil, crimean(sp?), spanish american, russian-japanese) that left no doubt that war was hell.


Someone mentioned gallipoli and i think that battle proves my point. While the ausies faught bravely, they fought for nothing, the brits had allready landed safely, their artilery was mistimed so the turks where allready back to the trenches. They ran into a meat grinder to blindly fallow orders that where no longer needed. brave, yes...heros no.

Words can not express the anger, I feel having read the following.

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OK rever the guys who fought in wwII. No problem. But WWI??? a war of colinization, a war of agressor vs agressor/???? what fredoms did they protect, our freedom to opress third world nations?


Where the soliders brave, yes. But lets not pretend that they died protecting freedom they died protecting the colonial assets of their homeland

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50,000 British and common wealth soldiers, lost there lives in four<yes four> ****ing hours, in one battle.

There is nine of them left, next year there will be less, i'm quite sure. You are an absolute cnut.

You have the nerve to think that, as you rather badly spelt it, the , pucker lips and press against another persons, would have been happy to exept a victory in France. Then call it a day. If that was the case why did the Americans get involved?

The only reason there was a WW2 is because, having won the war, the pease was completely ****ed up.

Take your ****ing arse out of my thread.

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I suppose the people in Poland figured what the hey, old friend Adolph, come and play in our country, we don't want it.

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You obviously cannot recognise sarcasm when you read it. Of course Hitler was in the second World War, my point was if you think the WWI was about colonisation then what the F==k was Hitler trying to do.I never said Hitler was responsible for WWI so try to cut and paste a little better instead of trying to make yourself sound better.

I mentioned Galipoli and yes it was a cockup, but those men died all the same, and like jinxy mentioned you should have kept the politics out of this thread, if you want to debate the merits of the differences between the 2 wars then start your own post.

You mention the American Civil War, the Crimean and the Russo-Japanese as wel as the Spanish American fracas, these were mere blips compared to the war in Europe. The American Civil War while costly was an isolated squabble. The Crimean between the English, French against the Russian, this was mostly religious and also was on a small scale. The Spanish American War was another little incident with the US and Spain (Spains last gasp at the World game). The Russo-Japanese incident was also a little set to between two antagonists.(everyone though should have paid attention to the Japanese improvements in Naval Warfare).

So to compare these battles to the Great War of 1914 to 1918 is ludicrous, I sort of like history as a hobby so if you want to start slinging facts back and forth, and try to justify that the men who fought in WWI were after nothing more then glory, then that's okay by me, but start it in another post.

We shouldn't be arguing/debating the causes of the 2 Wars, but we should be honouring the dead as well as the living (the few).

Oh and I don't think the veterans of a war you forgot to mention (Boer War 1899-1902) which was probably still fresh in a lot of their minds thought that war was going to be glorious.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4456234.stm

Sad loss, RIP.

Apparently he was on the Last Thommy program, I didn't manage to see it.

He only lived about 10 miles from me.



My Grandad took part in a 'recording' recently about wartime memories. I've not heard it yet but according to my mum even she learned a lot about her Dad. My Grandad didn't fight in the war he was too young to join at the start. He tried to join up a few times with every thing from the army to the merchant navy. All his friends got to join but he didn't because he was in a reserved occupation (he worked on the firing mechanisms for 10 ton bombs). He's still pissed about it to this day. Especially because the guys who were fighting got more time off.

My great uncle (his brother) was in the Chindits as well. Didn't know any of this until yesterday.

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My great uncle (his brother) was in the Chindits as well. Didn't know any of this until yesterday.

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Now there was a group of guys, talk about slogging it out in the jungles.
Chindits

Shame about Alfred, I think the most poignant remark though is:

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"But I think also there was a great sadness in his heart that he had outlived his generation - all his friends had died."

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