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nihil
Actually, I don't think that it is a Microsoft issue; it looks more like Intel and the MoBo/BIOS manufacturers doing to me.
Hmm, I didn't even think of that. I think it stems from rarely ever updating the BIOS. I'm still unsure if this is TOTALLY the fault of the BIOS, since FreeBSD has been using their own "Slices" and so on, for making up a Partition Table, and so when I screw with this stuff, which these days is pretty rare Honestly, I generally don't have any issues. Then again, I'm not exactly doing a lot with it either, so that's probably why.
Maybe Microsoft AND the Companies making this stuff should actually get together to solve this though. I know Microsoft has worked with a lot of Companies in the past, so, I could see them doing so. After all; An issue like this, COULD be a big one.
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It came about because I lent a SATA II HDD to a friend, who was desperate for a stop-gap until his replacement drive arrived.
I had just used it to test the hardware build of a Core i7 2600K. It has a Gigabyte MoBo and I used Windows8 64bit Release Preview as the OS. No problems, nor when I replaced the drive with SATA III SSD and HDD drives.
Heh, you've been doing this a LOT longer than I have, and so I know you remember more than I do, but remember back when you bought a Computer, and it was like "WOW! A 40 GB HD! How will I EVER use that much space!?!?!?!?" LOL.
Today you can't even buy drives that old unless you buy from a place that actually keeps them in stock. I STILL remember watching TechTV, back before they ruined the ****ing station by renaming it G4 and making it ALL about games, and nothing else.
I remember watching one day, and they had put a Computer together, and, with multiple HDs, gotten the thing to a TB. Back then, it was amazing, and today, it's less than standard on a lot of Machines lol.
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Come to think of it, I do seem to recall some sort of message about formatting when I installed the SATA II drive, as it had come from an AMD machine and had either the developer or consumer preview on it.
When he tried to load Windows7 it wouldn't load the installer programs and he just got a blinking cursor on the top left of a black screen. It was the same story when I tried Windows8 (32 & 64) Consumer and Release Previews and a 64bit Windows7 Ultimate.
Heh, I still have that Windows 8 Preview you posted a while back. I haven't used it as of yet, as the only machine I really have that could actually use it, I use as my Primary Workstation, so I leave it as follows:
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Edition, which I actually have loaded right now, (I'm re-watching Seasons 1, 2, and 3 of True Blood, since the new Season Premiered like 2 weeks ago) And I dual boot this machine, with Open SUSE 12.1, which I REALLY like. If you have some time for another OS to mess with Nihil, I TRULY recommend that you download it, and try it out!
They have moved from the "init" way of doing things, into something totally different, and, in return, booting up, even on really old Hardware, is incredibly fast!
I know you were saying in another thread you were going to be moving from Windows XP since the EOL of it, is coming up now, and you were going to be using BSD, but if you have another machine that you could run this on, I HIGHLY recommend at least checking it out!
Now, you've known me for a Decade, and every time I've recommended something to you, you've usually used it and liked it for the most part, and I HIGHLY recommend OpenSUSE 12.1!
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I then tried Windows Vista 32bit Home Premium and it loaded the installer but said it couldn't load onto that HDD/partition. I messed about with deleting and recreating the partitions and with formatting but I got the same message.
Heh, I remember back in the day; If I installed an OS, and got just a blinking cursor, and you were talking about, I'd almost wet myself, thinking "Oh ****... There goes everything I HAD on there" if I didn't have good back ups, which is one of the reasons I ended up setting up an FTP Server; I mean, My Wife and I, we have SO many Computers here, that burning Back Up CDs or DVDs, just is NOT a good option, because we would have no way of really Syncing all of the Data we need to back up, and so for a while, I used my 80 GB USB External HD, and it did OK, but it isn't exactly a lot of space today.
We then bought a 250 GB Passport USB External HD, and it's a LOT nicer because of all the backup Features if you're using Windows, but in general, I like it.
But again, you have to look through some files that have multiple copies, and see which one, or which ONES, you want to keep.
Eventually, I decided I would take my Beloved HP Pavilion, the first Computer I'd ever bought, and install an extra HD inside it, and, with a little Wire Wiggling, made THAT one, the Root Partition, and Master Drive, and then, took my old 43 GB HD the Computer came with, and I made it secondary, and made it just one big ass Partition called "/storage" and installed Slackware 12.0 on it, and set up an FTPd on it, and made it so that you had to use a User Account that was valid to log in, and my First Router, which is hooked up directly to the Net, was there in place, and then I set up another Router, which has a Firewall on it, also in place, and then a switch to add more machines and so on, and then, a "Hardware Security Suite" which has a Firewall, Packet Filter, and Anti Virus all in one, which is actually really neat, and, once all those were in place, I did a little bit of customization, and, I had a nice little FTP Server I can log into over SSH, and actually just have my Wife and I both remember to upload all our back ups to that one machine, and, from there, I can burn back up CDs, hook up my old and aging USB ZIP drive, and then, make back ups on that, and also, in general, hook up USB Drives I have, to make MORE copies of my Back Ups for the Super Important Stuff, like my First Album, all the Master Copies of the .wav files and Project Files for the Music OF my First Album, and the second, and so on.
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I know that GTP has been around since the early '90s, and I believe that it was pretty much an Intel initiative back then?
I'm really not sure exactly, but I think you are correct.
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The new Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge Intel processors ship with Intel HD integrated graphics, and the MoBos have Intel Chipsets to support this. My guess that there is something in the BIOS that lets the installation happen normally?
Hmm, if you get that sorted, I'd like to hear back for sure.
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When you try it on older technology, the GTP HDD partitioning isn't recognised.
Personally, this doesn't even surprise me heh.
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IIRC Microsoft introduced a disk wipe for clean installations with Vista?
My only real Experience with Vista, was back when my Wife had it on one of Her Machines. I have VERY little Experience with it though.
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I guess they need to sharpen their act up, and at least warn you like Vista does; although the ideal would be to let you wipe the old partitions and formatting, and install clean.
Agree!
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I suspect it has something to do with the hidden partitions that Windows 7 & 8 create, but I don't see why you don't even get a message, given that the installation disks are bootable media, and Vista manages to do it? I did notice, however, that although I could delete the partitions I couldn't get rid of the actual partitioning, so that 300MB partition remained, even though it was available space.
That's just weird heh.
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Fortunately, I don't suppose many people would remove an HDD from a Core-i to put into an older AMD machine. :D
LOL yea, but then again, why not tinker? ;)
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The ultimate solution is just to nuke the damn thing and start over ;):D
AGREE! And besides; I used to get pissed sometimes, because I DO have a temper, and if I would get mad at my Computer, I'd sometimes Nuke a File System or two, just because it made me feel better lol.
