Canadian Election (Split from blasphemous(Part1))

Hi nihil,

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What intrigued me was:

US: 12%...winner
Canada: 15.9%
UK: 17%

How is "poverty" defined. Over here I have not seen many sleeping rough who did not chose to do so. We have a lot of social welfare benefits, free healthcare, supplementary income benefits, free housing and so on................I suspect that this is not taken into account? OK we have winos and druggies, but that is their chosen lifestyle?

Another thing is your local cost of living. For example I can live here in the boondocks for about 60% of what it would cost me to live in London.

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They base it on cost of living variables...and then it's based upon who falls bellow the income to wages poverty line.
It surprised me too...I thought the US with all the low wage jobs would come out the clear loser.

Eg ;)

Hi nihil,

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What intrigued me was:

US: 12%...winner
Canada: 15.9%
UK: 17%

How is "poverty" defined. Over here I have not seen many sleeping rough who did not chose to do so. We have a lot of social welfare benefits, free healthcare, supplementary income benefits, free housing and so on................I suspect that this is not taken into account? OK we have winos and druggies, but that is their chosen lifestyle?

Another thing is your local cost of living. For example I can live here in the boondocks for about 60% of what it would cost me to live in London.

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They base it on cost of living variables...and then it's based upon who falls bellow the income to wages poverty line.
It surprised me too...I thought the US with all the low wage jobs would come out the clear loser.

Eg ;)

Hi EG~ ,

I guessed it must be something like that. I suspect that a lot of the supplementary social welfare benefits are not taken into account, as they are individual, and non-taxable?

I know of several cases where friends couldn't take a low paid job, as their benefits were higher, and, quite naturally, they put their families first. Anyway, the subsequently got "proper jobs"

We also have a legal minimum wage over here ;)

Even kids fresh out of highschool get our "jobseekers" allowance.

And I am not talking about charity, just your entitlement from the state :)

Another thing to consider is your outgoings?................I own this house............no debt repayments..........a lot of people over here are paying $1,000 a month or more..............that makes a difference.

;)

Hi EG~ ,

I guessed it must be something like that. I suspect that a lot of the supplementary social welfare benefits are not taken into account, as they are individual, and non-taxable?

I know of several cases where friends couldn't take a low paid job, as their benefits were higher, and, quite naturally, they put their families first. Anyway, the subsequently got "proper jobs"

We also have a legal minimum wage over here ;)

Even kids fresh out of highschool get our "jobseekers" allowance.

And I am not talking about charity, just your entitlement from the state :)

Another thing to consider is your outgoings?................I own this house............no debt repayments..........a lot of people over here are paying $1,000 a month or more..............that makes a difference.

;)

I know the solution to it all: Marg Princess Warrior and Raj Binder. :D

The perfect pair for PM and Deputy PM.

I know the solution to it all: Marg Princess Warrior and Raj Binder. :D

The perfect pair for PM and Deputy PM.

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Originally posted here by MsMittens
I know the solution to it all: Marg Princess Warrior and Raj Binder. :D

The perfect pair for PM and Deputy PM.

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That would definately make for something of interest :D....

A buddy and I used to say that we should form a new party... The Technocratz.. An entire platform on the advancement of technologies use in our society and the benefits of the advanced technology.... I figure we'd at least do better than the Marijuana party..

Peace,
HT

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Originally posted here by MsMittens
I know the solution to it all: Marg Princess Warrior and Raj Binder. :D

The perfect pair for PM and Deputy PM.

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That would definately make for something of interest :D....

A buddy and I used to say that we should form a new party... The Technocratz.. An entire platform on the advancement of technologies use in our society and the benefits of the advanced technology.... I figure we'd at least do better than the Marijuana party..

Peace,
HT

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Another thing to consider is your outgoings?................I own this house............no debt repayments..........a lot of people over here are paying $1,000 a month or more..............that makes a difference.

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That's substantially more if it's an average, compared to us, taking into consideration the exchange rates:

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In 2004, the average monthly mortgage payment was $1,337 – two per cent lower than in 1989, the previous peak in inflation adjusted home prices," says the report. "However, from 1989 to 2004, household after-tax income increased by 55 per cent. As a result, the annual mortgage payment-to-income ratio dropped to 31 per cent in 2004 from over 49 per cent in 1989."

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Reality Times

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I know of several cases where friends couldn't take a low paid job, as their benefits were higher, and, quite naturally, they put their families first. Anyway, the subsequently got "proper jobs"

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A lot of areas here in Canada (Nova Scotia for an example) will claw back any welfare benefits, if you work, which makes sense if the job pays $10 to $12 an hour, but even when being paid minimum $6.55 in NS they will claw some back, so yeah where is the incentive to work at minimum wage?

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Even kids fresh out of highschool get our "jobseekers" allowance

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That sounds interesting.....what I would like to see in Canada is an implementation of some sort of "Apprenticeship Program", there is no really good job shadowing or training after High School for a lot of young kids, who can't afford to go to College or University, and actually I now see a growth in the community colleges, because of the lack of skilled tradespeople, you may want to get the high paying jobs the "Tech" world can give you, but someone still has to fix the toilet's.... :p

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Another thing to consider is your outgoings?................I own this house............no debt repayments..........a lot of people over here are paying $1,000 a month or more..............that makes a difference.

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That's substantially more if it's an average, compared to us, taking into consideration the exchange rates:

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In 2004, the average monthly mortgage payment was $1,337 – two per cent lower than in 1989, the previous peak in inflation adjusted home prices," says the report. "However, from 1989 to 2004, household after-tax income increased by 55 per cent. As a result, the annual mortgage payment-to-income ratio dropped to 31 per cent in 2004 from over 49 per cent in 1989."

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Reality Times

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I know of several cases where friends couldn't take a low paid job, as their benefits were higher, and, quite naturally, they put their families first. Anyway, the subsequently got "proper jobs"

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A lot of areas here in Canada (Nova Scotia for an example) will claw back any welfare benefits, if you work, which makes sense if the job pays $10 to $12 an hour, but even when being paid minimum $6.55 in NS they will claw some back, so yeah where is the incentive to work at minimum wage?

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Even kids fresh out of highschool get our "jobseekers" allowance

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That sounds interesting.....what I would like to see in Canada is an implementation of some sort of "Apprenticeship Program", there is no really good job shadowing or training after High School for a lot of young kids, who can't afford to go to College or University, and actually I now see a growth in the community colleges, because of the lack of skilled tradespeople, you may want to get the high paying jobs the "Tech" world can give you, but someone still has to fix the toilet's.... :p

If Martin wins, he just continues what he's been doing. True, they wasted a ton of money, but, personally, I have no complaints and the job I'm in is booming in terms of production.
If Martin loses, it doesn't matter because he's set for life anyway financially.

If Harper wins, let him do what he wants. How he plans to cut the GST to 5% and still carry out all his promises seems pretty much impossible. Taxes will have to be made up somewhere else. Allowing this missile defense shield to go ahead I think, will put Canada in a bad position. The extremists who view the US as evil incarnate will view Canada in almost the same light by teaming up with them.

If Harper loses, he'll just continue bitching and wishing he lived south of the 49th parallel.

If Layton wins.....ok, let's be serious, he won't win.
If Layton loses, he'll feel comfortable because he's been there before.


Regardless of who you love or hate in this election, VOTE. Every opinion counts.

If Martin wins, he just continues what he's been doing. True, they wasted a ton of money, but, personally, I have no complaints and the job I'm in is booming in terms of production.
If Martin loses, it doesn't matter because he's set for life anyway financially.

If Harper wins, let him do what he wants. How he plans to cut the GST to 5% and still carry out all his promises seems pretty much impossible. Taxes will have to be made up somewhere else. Allowing this missile defense shield to go ahead I think, will put Canada in a bad position. The extremists who view the US as evil incarnate will view Canada in almost the same light by teaming up with them.

If Harper loses, he'll just continue bitching and wishing he lived south of the 49th parallel.

If Layton wins.....ok, let's be serious, he won't win.
If Layton loses, he'll feel comfortable because he's been there before.


Regardless of who you love or hate in this election, VOTE. Every opinion counts.