Dalek:
I'm pretty sure that's what I said ages ago in this conversation... Teach the kids to think not what you want them to think.... ;)
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Dalek:
I'm pretty sure that's what I said ages ago in this conversation... Teach the kids to think not what you want them to think.... ;)
Dalek:
I'm pretty sure that's what I said ages ago in this conversation... Teach the kids to think not what you want them to think.... ;)
John,
The sole belief of a single religion in the Old Testament ended with the birth of Christ. Jesus himself was born a Jew but because of the belief of some that he was the Messiah - which both Christianity and Judaism believed would come - the New Testament was born. Those who chose to only believe in the Old Tastament are - effectively, the Jews.... Those that wrote and believed in the New Testament are the Christians.... Proof? The Ten Commandments are not repeated in the New Testament.... ;)
John,
The sole belief of a single religion in the Old Testament ended with the birth of Christ. Jesus himself was born a Jew but because of the belief of some that he was the Messiah - which both Christianity and Judaism believed would come - the New Testament was born. Those who chose to only believe in the Old Tastament are - effectively, the Jews.... Those that wrote and believed in the New Testament are the Christians.... Proof? The Ten Commandments are not repeated in the New Testament.... ;)
Because I don't believe in Evolution?... I read what I said out of a magazine that some scientist wrote saying he believes in it but that they ca't explain eyes. That should be an oxy moron, believing in evolution. Evolution is the opposite of belief.Quote:
Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
Gore:
I have two Diadema Urchins in my aquarium that will demonstrate rudimetary eyes for you... I stopped reading your post at the eyesight point..... It made it look silly and uninformed.
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Originally posted here by gore
The Universe didn't fart and make toads from the gas.
...There is to much to this World / Universe to say some planet farted and made us all. That's such Bullshit.
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Originally posted here by Evil Moo
"Life is too complex to not have been intentionally created by some higher form of being", is not a scientific statement or reasoning; it is lazy doubt.
"If we are too complex to simply have occured naturally, then our creators too must have been created, for they are even more powerful and complex than ourselves. That statement continues infiniately, unless either a) God created them b) they developed naturally over the course of eons through growth and adaptation; otherwise known as Evolution."
So as I see it, you're either a Creationist hocking religion in disguise, or you're an Evolutionist--regardless of how we came into existance.
Neg, not even one source? How do I know it's not just conjecture? Just because you say it is, doesnt. make it doctrine. You have "proved nothing". Causative factors can not be based on opinion.Quote:
Originally posted here by Negative
Okies, thanks!
As we both acknowledge, a serious uprise in crime starting somewhere around 1962...
The reason according to you is the banning of school prayer.
The real reason, according to most, is the more lenient justice system: conviction rates seriously dropped, and sentences were much shorter than before. Politicians were getting softer on crime (because of a fear to be called racist, mostly, since the majority of crimes was being committed by African-Americans and Hispanics). Criminals don't care about whether or not school prayer is allowed; they care about their chances of getting caught, and if caught, how long they'll have to serve.
Another reason: between 1960 and 1985, the number of police officers FELL more than 50 percent (relative to the population). Don't you think that that's got more to do with it than school prayer?
Around 1990, the crime rates started dropping. The reasons: mandatory minimum sentences (which are absolutely racist, but that's another discussion), the legalization of abortion some 15 years ago, and crack cocaine.
Why?
Longer prison sentences: High prison sentences are a negative incentive for criminals (the causality has been proven, no need to argue about it),
Legalization of abortion, or Roe v Wade in 1973. In the first year after Roe v Wade, 750,000 women had an abortion , and by 1980 over 1.5 million abortions were performed (per year!). Who were those women? Low-class, uneducated ones... the ones whose sons and daughters have a high chance of ending up in crime... there you go, no need to discuss it: the causality has been proven numerous times.
crack cocaine: the huge incentives of pure cocaine fell away with the introduction of crack cocaine. In other words: not money was to be made with it, so why risk it?
There you go: two real reasons (causality has been proven!) for the uprise of crime since 1962, three real reasons (causality has been proven!) for the decline of crime since 1990.
cheers
I got tired of giving you sources after you decided that the US Department of Justice wasn't good enough for you...Quote:
Neg, not even one source? How do I know it's not just conjecture? Just because you say it is, doesnt. make it doctrine. You have "proved nothing". Causative factors can not be based on opinion.
My post wasn't intended to prove anything - it was intended to explain (proving it has already been done - the data used to do so wouldn't fit in AO's database)...
Anyways: give me one piece in my post you don't agree with, and I'll be more than happy to give you a source.
nihil: sorry should have been more percise. Most main stream christian groups do not take the bible literaly, many includeing the largest christian denomination in the world accept evelution as valid science and feel that thology has no place in science. It is only a small group of radicals that insist on forceign ID on the rest of us.
Intelligent Designed Ruling the whole court transcript Here
Hey bballad
That is exactly the wavelength I am coming down, evolution happens?Quote:
nihil: sorry should have been more percise. Most main stream christian groups do not take the bible literaly, many includeing the largest christian denomination in the world accept evelution as valid science and feel that thology has no place in science. It is only a small group of radicals that insist on forceign ID on the rest of us.
There is also a temporary thing like the moths example, and there are totally transitory effects such as is observed in chameleons?
Thank you for understanding me
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For the argument that the eye could never evolve spontaniously:
Nilsson, D.E. and Pelger, S., 1994. A pessimistic estimate of the time required for an eye to evolve. Proc. R. Soc. Lond. B 256:53β58
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A computer simulation of gradual eye evolution by Dan Nilsson and Susanne Pelger, which claims, βit would take less than 364,000 years for a camera eye to evolve from a light-sensitive patch.β They start from a light-sensitive layer, with a transparent coating in front and a light-absorbing layer behind.
First, this layer bends gradually into a cup, so it can tell the direction of light rays increasingly well. This continues until it is curved into a hemisphere filled with the transparent substance. Secondly, bringing the ends together, closing the aperture, would gradually increase the sharpness of the image, as a pinhole camera does, because a smaller hole cuts out light, and as there are diffraction effects if the hole is too small, there is a limit to this process. So thirdly, the shape and refractive index gradient of the transparent cover change gradually to a finely focusing lens.