Human Cloning

personally i don't think cloning is good is too much power on anybody even if they choose for good (the use of knowledge) am against

All right, here's a few things we agree on so far:

•Cloning humans: bad

•Cloning organs: potentially good

•Religious, political, social, etc. problem: using one life to save another's, without the one life's
consent

Now, why would anyone want to clone a whole human anyway? There's no real benefit to it, really.

Then you bring in the Hitler's of the world.

Fortunately, cloning a human army takes noticably vast amounts of resources, most of all, time, which is a great detriment to the Hitler-wannabe. If they started a war counting on clones they had just started to make, they would have to perpetuate the war for eighteen years at least, an impractical and not very feasable goal. If they decide to wait, then go to war, someone would eventually notice what was happening, probably too early for the Hitler-wannabe, and very few countries would let him get away with it.

Then there's acquiring the stem cells. Fortunately, there's more way to get them than from embryos: they can be obtained from the after-birth, I believe from bone marrow(though not as variable), and if not now, then soon they will be able to be manufactured(using just DNA samples from real humans, the patient, or lab created designs, to keep up the amount of gene types available for study or use), and I'm sure many more.

Perhaps the law could limit it in a different way: (1)No stem cells acquired from embryos or other ways that require the death of an or are harmful in some way to an organism (2)No making a full clone of a human (3)No cloning of a brain. Rules like these would allow the progress of this particular field, while (hopefully) keeping most arguments against it at bay.

Thank you for listening, and the wonderful thread.

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Originally posted by WebCarnage
A clone will have exactly the same feelings a normal person would have. Thats why their called clones

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Ouch... No, it won't/it's not... That's, imo, the entire point of this discussion: clones DO have the same DNA, but they DO NOT have the same feelings... DNA and brains/intelligence/feelings are something completely different..

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Ouch... No, it won't/it's not... That's, imo, the entire point of this discussion: clones DO have the same DNA, but they DO NOT have the same feelings... DNA and brains/intelligence/feelings are something completely different...

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And you know this how. I mean, if you agree with me that a *type* of clone is a twin. Then you should also be aware of the numerous accounts that which twins would literally feel each others pain and happiness at times of sorrow and pleasure. And how do you know that they don't have the same feelings? And tell me, Negative, what are actually feelings? And how would you regulate and actually show that two clones/twins do or don't have the same exact feelings.
And, lets imagine for a breif moment, that clones don't have the same feelings as their host. Now, whats the problem? Is there any big deal? ...I wouldn't imagine. This would only make the clone more individualized...and thats what you want, isn't it?

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I got negative antipoints for my previous post...:P I'm pissed.


For stating an idea, one should not be held against the wall for a view-point. Thats just the way I see things. No biggie, if you don't share the same ideas...just move along.

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I got negative antipoints for my previous post...:P I'm pissed. For stating an idea, one should not be held against the wall for a view-point.

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- Erm.. I'll put this statement bluntly.. Who ever gave [WebCarnage] negative points for posting his point of view and opinions after I asked him to is an idiot. He nor anyone else that posted a reply to this topic deserves negative points. You may or may not agree with what some one on here has to say but as [WebCarnage] said:

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...if you don't share the same ideas...just move along.

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Yeah, just move along and simply ignore people's post if you dont agree with their point of view. If you don't like what they had to say, post a reply and explane your self instead of handing out negative points. I also got negative points for a simple suggestion about the AO shirts. Ah well, I ain't trippin', I got plent of points.. although more never hurts. :D

Remote_Access_

I Agree with Remote i don,t want 2 of me walking around i know we would have 2 different brains but as of now i like me i,m unique i don't have a twin and don't want one either, and we don,t need mass production of people either. Can't have kids adopt can't adopt be a foster parent or something. As far as webcarnages negative points i don't think he desirves them because people have there own opinions and views you should learn to respect what other people have to say like they problably did for you.





ANTI-HACKERS

Human cloning to any degree is completely wrong, there is no justifyable reason as to why anyone would want an exact genetic copy of two people, period, dont do it mad-crazy-scientist-person.

However I feel that stem cell reaserch is ok. I have read that some diseases (I believe Parkinsons is one) will in the future be potetially treatable by progress in this area.

If they could clone/create a human(who, by definition,
was not concieved in the historical/traditional sense),
could it be that there is a loophole in the laws that
would make the clone the property of the
pharmaceutical company instead of a legal person?
I don't think it's too far fetched.
They are already trying to patent living organisms.
They promise us miracle cures, but I'm skeptical.
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IMHO, I don't think we should clone humans. I've watching too many movies to feel that human cloning is safe for mankind.

However, I think that stem cell research should go on. I read that using stem cells they have successfully cured Parkinson's Disease in rats. These stem cells arent hurting anyone, we already have them, and it is already shown that they can benefit society greatly. We should use them to do so, especially if Parkinson's can get cured with it.