Will Anyone Dare to Ask Why?

I read David Duke's article with full foreknowledge of who he was and what he generally puts forward as a belief system, and it terrified me how similar his article was to an email that I sent out the day after the attacks asking precisely that question, "Why?".

I agree that we were attacked because of our presence in Israel, and that the attacks were made more effective because of a globalized economy. I do not believe that we have a place in the Israel v. Palestine conflict because it predates the U.S. by about 1400 years, and it seems that it will go on long after the U.S. is a footnote in history, which I hope is not for a long time.

But if you need to find a reason to hate David Duke don't use isolationism. Isolationism was the stated policy of the U.S. in foreign affairs from the time of George Washington all the way up until the Spanish-American war at the beginning of the 20th Century. Isolationism is how America was supposed to protect its own interests and leave the rest of the world to enjoy their liberty.

Liberty means the choice of your own government and customs. The media tells us that the people of Afghanistan hated the Taliban, but it seems that there was tribal wars and no matter who was in charge, they would be hated by some significant percentage of the populace. How is it our place to say who rules, and who hates?

The globalized economy is the only reason that anyone can claim that this was more than an attack on America, and that is why I believe that it is dangerous. The globalized economy discourages free trade, and can be used effectively as a weapon against any nation that chooses to adopt a policy that is out of fashion. Just ask Cuba, or Iraq.

In short, I am an American that believes in letting the rest of the world choose what seems right for them without coercion so that we can focus on the problems in our own nation. I know it is a radical idea, but it is a radical idea that the U.S. founding fathers fought and died for, and one that I think we should honor. We have an elementary school sytem that is a laughingstock amongst other industrialized nations. We sell guns to psychopaths and criminals legally. We are conducting a horrifically expensive (dollars, liberties, and humanitywise) and ridiculous "War on Drugs" that can not win because people will always want to alter their mood. We have domestic terrorists that shoot doctors for performing legal, safe abortions, or blow up Federal buildings because they think that the U.S. government doesn't care about their own people. It would be a shame if the government proved these domestic terrorists correct.

bimmer

in a place that i worked some years ago, there was a man named Mustafa, who ran a turret lathe, a very no brainer job but he was extremely diligent about what he did. Always keep everything well oiled and clean his production was the highest. He was a capable man doing a job, that was obviously beneath him, very well.
On day I asked him why he was working as a job like that. He told me in his country he was a baker. His father was a baker. His father’s father as far back as anyone knew were all bakers. One day the Israelis came in and told him to get out, it was now their bakery. So his family came to this country….. Needless to say I was shocked, that was one of the most horrible stories I’d ever heard. Prior to his story I didn’t know anything about what was going on in the Middle East. Now, I haven’t the knowledge to say (voice an opinion) if Israel has a right to exist or not. But I don’t believe any organization can justify what happened to Mustafa and people like him.

My response to your post was not meant to flame you, but rather to let you and anyone else know, that read your post, if they didn’t already, that the author of that paper is a despicable man who is part of a much more despicable organization which is trying once again to come to power in this country. Their methods are too use some truths to mask insidious lies. But im not disputing the truths.

As for obl, he did it, every one knows he did it, he’s been behind many like it. He was on our fbi’s most wanted list before wtc, and to say we must prove it was him, is a child’s game we can’t afford to play. You yourself would not play that game. If large building started exploding in Palestine, and Israel challenged you to prove it was them Would you attempt to prove it before or after large buildings in Israel started blowing up?

The explosions you refer too, were not after the crash, they were the crash. These jets had enough fuel for a 4000 mile trip. The heat produced from the burning of the fuel began to melt the steel beams that supported the buildings and they collapsed under their own weight. I was three miles from it, wondering what happened, when the second plane hit.

Should´ve posted this earlier but have been a bit drunk/stuck in school. So here goes. (oh, al figures talking about money is in US $)

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But a smart man can spot some of the truths in there while others blatantly ignore them.

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Judging from people´s reaction (red and grey´s) they haven´t read it or just dismiss the whole text judging the author. Now I agree that with people here and wouldn´t give two cent´s for David Duke and his basic ideas.
But for propaganda to work a 50/50 mix of truth and not so much truth is the best. So what´s interesting in this article then?

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why these "crazy," "cowardly," Arabs never attack Switzerland or Sweden

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I can´t anwer for Switzerland but Sweden has a history of atleast listening to the palestinians.

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Israel tortures 500 to 600 Palestinians every month

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A bit old article but it´s no less true. (at that time atleast)

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Even though Israel invaded Lebanon and killed thousands of civilians, America never threatened to bomb Tel Aviv...

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Well ok, PLO, Hamas and a couple of other groups operated out of Libanon into Israel. But does that warrant an 18 (!) year occupation?

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We have heard that a half million children have died. ... is the price worth it?"

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A quick jump here to Operation Desertstorm, or rather the aftermath with the blocade. It´s a Leslie Stahl quote from an "CBS 60 minutes" interview with Madeline Albright and take a look at Madeline´s answer.

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"I think this is a very hard choice, but the price -- we think the price is worth it."

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I´m not even gonna comment on that one. Just wondering where the next suicide bomber batch are gonna come from.

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That's why we are in this mess, because a foreign power has become the most powerful lobby in the American government and controls the direction of the mass communication media in America.

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I don´t know about the most powerfull or that they controll the media but it´s a fact that Israel is a power to recognise in the American government.

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We give Israel about 6 billion dollars in aid each year

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I thought this one sounded a bit over the top so I took a look around. And it looks true, 6.194 in the year 1997. That would be foreign aid only. (ie not including a half billion from a couple of US departments) Since 1949 the total adds up to 83.2 billions, and that would not include the interest America have to pay (in interest on the foreign debts). Maybe the total of a 133 billion is peanuts, it´s subjective. IMHO it´s not. I don´t like to be in debt.

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Many in the American media and government are screaming for mass destruction
against America's newly perceived enemies. Recent opinion polls (CBS and CNN)
show that 60 to 75 percent of the American people endorse warfare against suspected terrorists. They support these actions (and I quote the poll question precisely)
"even if it causes the deaths of thousands of
innocent people." It hurts my heart to think that a vast majority of the
American people take exactly the same view toward innocent human life as did
the terrorists of September 11.

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Well I´m sorry people, but I can´t do anything but agree. In the light of history it was bound to happen sooner or later. (NOT making it anyless horrible)

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Does anyone remember America's last "attack on terrorism?" Clinton promised
to wage a "war on terrorism" by bombing Afghanistan and by bombing a
pharmaceutical complex in the Sudan. These attacks were cynically launched
by Clinton during critical days of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. They failed
to kill Bin Laden, but they caused the Taliban to vow bloody revenge against
America for the death and destruction in his country. The events of
September 11 may be a direct result of that "war on terrorism." Let me
repeat, we send our B1 bombers and they send their suicide bombers.

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I realy "liked" the bombs in Sudan, with such a big "intelligence" agency one would like to think that CIA would be able to identify a real target. But I guess the decision was made in a hurry cause Bill wanted to get some head.

Don´t believe everything that you read but don´t dismiss al that you don´t agree with. And Tedob1, your lucky to have meet one of the original palestines and listened to his story. I find those testimonies just as important as the testimonies from hollocaust survivors. What realy bugs me is that the massacres and attrocities made by the Israeli government are conveniently "forgotten". If you (Americans) realy want justice let´s start by putting Ariel Sharon on a plane to Belgium to answer for what happened in Lebanon. Then I might give a hand in dragging OBL to a court of your choice. But until then.. why not kick the "School of Americas" officers that are hiding in America with a big phatt boot out of your country to their homelands where they are to be prosecuted for murder and/or torture.
In this light, doesn´t accusing other countries for harboring terrorist give a bitter taste?

I wouldnt die fighting anybodys war. You just said all this so you could bash on Isreal. Everybody from "Palestien" hates Isrealis. They suicide bomb daily it seems. of course Isreal strikes back with bigger and better bombs. You guys should be carefull...even if Yasir Arafat "doesnt have anything to do the suicide bombings" he will eventually be taken out. You guys don't want that. So Stop the hate. This war has been going on for too long.No longer can any remember who struck first, information has been propagated by everyone. Now I think you guys should just chill the **** out. Stop being so damn mean. That post almost sounded like a gloat. Like "Ha Ha America, you got maimed cause you got the Isrealis back."
Hell yeah we do, I know the price we pay for, I knew why we got bommed the moment we turned on the TV that september morning.Dude......whew

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Originally posted here by Dr Toker
I wouldnt die fighting anybodys war. You just said all this so you could bash on Isreal. Everybody from "Palestien" hates Isrealis. They suicide bomb daily it seems. of course Isreal strikes back with bigger and better bombs. You guys should be carefull...even if Yasir Arafat "doesnt have anything to do the suicide bombings" he will eventually be taken out. You guys don't want that. So Stop the hate. This war has been going on for too long.No longer can any remember who struck first, information has been propagated by everyone. Now I think you guys should just chill the **** out. Stop being so damn mean. That post almost sounded like a gloat. Like "Ha Ha America, you got maimed cause you got the Isrealis back."
Hell yeah we do, I know the price we pay for, I knew why we got bommed the moment we turned on the TV that september morning.Dude......whew

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first of all .. non of us ask u to do so,
yeah .. we hate Israelis as much as they hates us ... and 2nd thing , who told u that we do care about arafat him self .. back to hell ass hole ..
all i care about is my country .. but it seems that u r more in to the Israelis side ....
u asked more than once and i answered u ...
get back to history man ... they started and with no peace ...

*First, I didn´t do anything to "bash". I merely pointed out that just because something doesn´t follow government doctrine there can still be truth in it.
*Second, everybody from Palestine hates Isrealis? Just as much as americans hated arabs the day after the 11th I guess.
*Third. Yes Arafat probably don´t have much time left. And? So? I´m quite sure that Hamas, Hizballah can carry on with what their doing. Possibly (probably) the old DFLP, PFLP and Palestine Islamic Jihad will kick in with re-newed force. As well as a couple of newbie groups. Removing Arafat won´t solve anything, rather make it worse.
*Fourth. Yes, it´s been going on for far too long. Withdraw monetary and military support from Israel and get them to acctualy sit down at the tables. Negotiating peace while tearing down houses to build Israeli settlements is hardly the way to go about it.
*Fifth. Gloat..? Pointing out a couple of facts aswell as making some educated guesses don´t make it gloating. You wanna see gloating? Take a look at the "John Walker" thread. Them cowboys can hurry enough to find a tree and hang `em high.
*Sixth. (bimmer) Don´t include me, I´m not arabic (or from middle east). I´m not realy against Israel.

What I´m trying to do is point out that there are truths out there maybe worth looking into. Beliefe is one thing. Knowing is another.

in any case should arafat come to have an accident i think that both sides would be screwed because he is the only 'elected' represetative of the palestinian people....
should he die, supposing isreal wants to make peace who are they going to talk to ? hammas islmic jihad ....
i don't think that arafat is the best choice, the least he could do is shave... but he is the only that has the majority of palestinian behind him and that is all that should matter to a true democracy.....

These ****in terrorist told me to participate in this war. By working in downtown Houston i feel at risk of attack. The civilians ARE THE FRONT LINE. Cause these dumbass Suicide bombers and terrorist aint got no ****in honor or balls, so they attack civilians as a main target. WTF. You know Japan ****ed us up in Pearl Harbor, and we nuked the shyt outta them. However they attacked military targets. Gawd these cowards make me sick. And your defending them! In an indirect way of course.... but you know man, killing is wrong. Bottom line. A wrong does not deserve a wrong. I guess both of these country's are abiding by The Law of Abraham. Eye4EYE Tooth4Tooth.

Now i see why Jesus came...

Are you for real Toker? If bombing innocents is on the discussion table don´t bring up a-bomb. You probably know the figures better than I do but a quarter of a million casualties or so? Does that sound right?
*edit note* Took a look. just a measly 105 000 directly dead and 104 000 injured.

I was agreeing with you pooh ....kinda i agree USA should not have used the abomb in my opinion.I was using that to show the hypocracy in American policy. A wrong does not deserve a wrong. I was referring to Hiroshima and Nagasaki as USA mistakes.