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bah, i still say absolutly nothing cat exist... and just the fact that we think of zero as something that doesent exist, makes it exist infinitly, again i say though, IM NOT THINKING IN MATHMATICAL TERMS.... strange way of thinking, yes... but it makes some sort of sense, if i could explain myself well enough,
(everyone elses ideas i very feasible aswell, and i agree with most of them as probable answers, but im choosing to look at the problem in a little bit of a different way.)
If you have one, and take away it's opposite, you'd have twice as many. 1 - -1 = 2.
If you have a rock, and take all the water from it, will you have two rocks??? No...
Even if you throw it into the sea, there is still that rock somewhere.
The romans were smart people, smart enought to know that there is not nothing. There's something. Somebody, sometime after the Romans, made up nothing. Creating the concept of 'zero'. 'Zero', thought, is not nothing, it's not one of anything. -1*a = 0, a != 0.
Math is all arbitrary rules made up by people, for no better reason than it looks good and is easily provable by it's own laws. Many mathematicians suffer god coplexes, many non-mathematicians do as well. It's the idea of creating a rule, that all has to follow, and the subsiquent belief that everything will follow it. Infinty is all of everything, L*e.
So... 0, -1*a time infinity, L*e is -aLe.
The lesson: don't drink and do math, or anything else.
again i say, im not using mathmatics.
It was brought to my attention that some rocks break, or explode durring the winter because of water inside. So water is not the opposite of rock. Bread is.
You cannot deal with anything and not use mathematics. That's plain stupidity. Even if the only math you use is to say that all that there is everything. . . 1 = 1.
Since you're so set on not using mathematics, which really is impossible, say all that you can, all that you will, and not use one number, one idea that is also a mathematical priciple...
Maybe you should stop looking at things so differently, or atleast admit that for all it is, it's the same, just explained differently.
I've been asked to close this thread a couple of days ago already... I always have to look at the topic to see what exactly this discussion was about again...
Anyway, IRC seems the place to be for this kinds of discussions those last couple of days...
For those of you who don't know where to go, here it is again:
irc.antionline.com
services.antionline.com
antichat.res.cmu.edu