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We are actually having a discussion of what was before the big bang here...
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=223117
I'm hoping to get into the deeper details of time and space and what the beginning was like... come join if your interested
Negative. Ok I think I got it now. The idea of God does not alone satisfy your reason.
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On the AMORC I think you have something there as I used to be conversant with both rosicrucian and wicca adherents. They both showed "proof" of this concept regarding the theme you mentioned. I don't have such details on hand.
I was corrected by an aboriginal of Australia once, who pointed out their ancient ways reach back by 35,000 years. Since there is little written surviving record, archeologists have shown their old australian societies are really old but, I don't know of the validity of the claim.
Actually, The guy with the cat is Erwin Schroedinger.Quote:
Originally posted here by Tedob1
Hey celfie, Dr. Gerald Schroeder, he’s the dude with the cat… right? Sounds interesting.
The Ancient Egyptians have probably one of the oldest well-documented religions around. It's also considered far older than even 2000 BC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eglaelin:
The Rosicrucian's link their history to the reign of Pharao Tutmosis III, who ruled over Egypt from 1500 to 1447 B.C. I have no information that predates that on the Rosicrucian's. The idea that the AMORC has it roots in some society around 28000 BC is the same as the Wiccan's claiming to be a passed down religion from times of the godess worshippers.
This is more akin to how I see 'god'. More as the order of the universe, not necessarily an all-powerful sentient being.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative:
I also need something metaphysical to 'answer' these kind of questions... My 'answer' would be 'a force' rather than 'a God' though, and I'm pretty sure science will, one day, fill those gasps.
what of the sumerian religions - don't we have some traces of their beliefs?
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Originally posted here by chsh
This is more akin to how I see 'god'. More as the order of the universe, not necessarily an all-powerful sentient being.
This is an interesting statement. Order of the universe...I like that. Kinda goes with what I was saying about the "universe" acting, and the unexplainable something coming from 'nothing' situation we were talking about earlier.
Before the big bang, we (scientificly) assume there was a very dence ball of mass. Which exploded to create all this. This compacted matter came from a black hole, that used to be a star. So we have this cycle of exploding and imploding....chew on that.
So I present you guys with this question.
Can something come from nothing? Did the first star come from nothing?
Did this universe, and all its gasses,matters, and life forms come from the imploding and exploding of the sun?
did anything ever actually explode though......maybe it all just is.... can we really be certian that there was a start? again i say. The human mind cannot understand the things behind how existence came to be, how it was created, and why its there. How can we say we can understand creation, when we barely understand how our own minds work.
there was not start, there is no end, there is no question, and there is no answer.
a simple statement, that consists of nothing, but is completly understood. The connection between all things that exist. What is that connection? Nothing but the ablility to perceve, or be perceved. Nothing but the fact of 'Being', or existing.
does that make any sense??
Logic states that there was a beginning, and there will be an end, aside from what the Bible says.
I mean you how could existence just 'be'. Is it all that simple? I doubt it. I think the answers to the cosmos and God will eventually be figured out through math. See the fibonicci factors. I think thats what its called.
why does it have to be complex? jsut because we cannot understand it at first glance, means its complex?
why cant it be that simple, why does it have to be hard to understand?
perhaps its just the human flaw of wanting the perfect answer......
if logic says that there must be a beginning, then logic says that there was none. We werent there, nor do we have any way of observing what happened then, or tracing back every event thats happened between the "beginning" and now. its not logical to think that we can make a logical decision on weather there is a beginnning.
(yes, that also means its not logical to say that there was no beginning, i know)
maybe we are looking at things the wrong way.... maybe our "superior" ability to reason and solve complex problems actually inhibits our ability to understand the truth, perhaps its only the simplist of minds that can understand it.
compare us to almost any other creature on this earth....and tell me....
whos happier:
Us as humans... who have to worry about large scale warefare and immensly confusing social conditions, with politics and such,
:3pow: :shootem:
or
the simple animal.
leads its life jsut trying to live. yes, it has fears of death and such... but what else does it have to worry about.... no insanly complex social structure, no worries about large scale warefare, jsut worries about itself... and its offspring
nothing more nothing less.
the most complex is not always the best answer.