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JP,
I hope you haven't taken what I have said as "gay bashing." But I do feel homosexuality is wrong. It is a sin, and it's not what God intended. I don't think God hates homosexuals. Christ died for homosexuals the same as he did for every one else. I don't think the gospel is "2000 year old bullshit." I think it can change people's lives. I don't think I am uneducated. I have a B.A. degree, and a Master of Divinity degree from Emory University. I think for myself. But yes, I do consider Jesus as my shepherd and myself one of his sheep.

Greetings:

Well then, I will gladly burn in hell, if it does turn out to exist. I'll never apologize or ask for forgiveness for the love that I feel towards my life partner, nor for the ways that I express that love. ::flagprid

Besides, if hell does exist, and I do get sent there, I'm just the type of person that might be able to take it over, and make it my own! muahaha!

:firedevil

Let's think about this, If God created all people, then he created homosexuals, so he better except their asses in heaven w/ all you other low lifes. There are far worse things then being a homosexual, such as a wife beater, drug dealer, or child molestor!

Or a chat nazi!

PreacherMan481: Why do you think it is wrong? And dont' give me "Because god didn't intend for people to be gay" crap.

They are people like you and me. Short, tall. Skinny, fat. Black, White, Yellow, Green, Gray, Yellow. Sure they may be the same sex, but i bet their love for one another would match any straight person's love for their partner. (of course it varies depending on how much they truly love each other, but you get my gist) . . . What is so wrong about that?

Time to "think" outside of the physical body.

Ummmm, is that Brad that posted. Holy ****. Thats what I was talking about in my last message. When you feel that strongly about something, like Keisha did, you take action. Kinda like Brad actually posting his first and only post in this thread.

And like I said, I won't get into the endtire gay/religious discussion, because that should be in the cosmos thread, not here. So....

Greetings All:

Ok, I moved this thread into the Cosmos forum where it belongs.

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Originally posted here by Anirak
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in numbers 31:17. It is they punishment to the people of midian. They turned against God, and worshipped the idol baal. When you do something wrong, you get punished, it's that simple.

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Actually the people of Midian were not Christians that turned against God to Worship Baal. Baal was a god worshipped before the coming of the Judiac tribes. The Bible refers to anyone who would not fall down and worship Jehovah as worshipping false idols. The earliest references to Jehovah were to him as a war god. The Judaic tribes were involved in warfare against other cultures and tribes from the get go. It is common propaganda in war to call the others unholy, or inhuman to justify acts of cruelty. Just ask the survivors of the holocaust.
The problem with this section of the bible is that is glorifies and justifies the deaths of others for religous reasons. The people, including all children who were not female, under 12 and virgin were put to death. Giving the state of warfare in those times how many of the females, do you think were virgin after the battle. Rapine and degradation were standard techniques in battle,and still are.
When it comes right down to it, the ethical problem lies in killing others in the name of god. By that standard the terrorist who performed the 9-11 bombing were just as righteous as the Jews in the bible. And before you go on saying that Christianity is the only religion, remember the Taliban would say the same about Islam.
What we need to do as a people is forget the divisions that keep us from acting correctly toward each other. Every religion on the planet (except for Satanism) has a similar core. Be kind and good toward each other. Treat each person as something holy and good. IF you treat them that way then they will eventually become that way.
The true way to see if you have lived the proper kind of life is to ask yourself a question. Is the world a better place for my existence?

Hmmm...this is quite a thread, with many points. First off l would like to identify myself as a non-religous individual. I was raised to believe in god and respect him, but not to identify him through a church (god is not people, church is people, and it's far to easy for people to say one thing and do another.)
The point in this thread that means the most to me is the view that so many people take on homosexuality....my best friend is gay. Guess what folks, he didn't CHOOSE to be gay. He didn't wake up one morning and think "gee, I think I'd like to be different and make myself a target for all the ignorent people out there who feel like condemning me, maybe I'll even get lucky and get jumped an beaten for deciding to be this way!"
Nope, he didn't make a conscious decision to be this way, he was born (created by god) with this aspect already in place, spends every day of his life dealing with it the best he can, and would change it if he could. He can nomore decide to be straight then a straight person can decide to be gay. Taking that into consideration.....how can gay couples be accused of perverting out youth?
The responsibility for children falls to (ready for this....) THE PARENTS. If your child is young enough that you think seeing gay couples will effect them, then why the hell are they at a kissing contest? Perhaps there are too many parents willing to pass off responsibility of their children. I was raised by parents that encouraged me to come to them with questions, and when I did so they would take the time to explain to me, not only their views, but all views, and then leave it to me to form my own opinion.
I would like to thank my parents for giving me the gift of acceptance, for it has made my life richer in many ways. I hope when I have children I can grant them the same gift.
Thats what acceptance of others is, a gift not only to you but to them as well....because no matter how different a person is they still have feelings.
For those of you who think homosexuality is a sin because it states so in the bible

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take any sentence in Hebrew, translate it to latin, and then translate that into English, and see how off it gets

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this is an EXCELLENT POINT.
I'm not saying don't believe, I'm saying don't be ignorent, and don't condem others for being different than what YOU think they should be. You are not God, and it is not your place to judge the value of any other human being.
Okay, that said...what are peoples views on homosexuality as a genetic trait? I know several individuals who are gay and have gay parents (one of whom was adopted and raised by straight parents and didn't know anything about his biological parents until he'd already discovered his sexuality).

Im perfectly happy being gay. I wouldnt change it if i could. Im sure you wouldnt hear a straight person say " i wish i was gay". :bigsmile: ::flagprid