I think they were justified in using gas in that situation. However, the type they chose seems
to have been a bit of overkill.
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I think they were justified in using gas in that situation. However, the type they chose seems
to have been a bit of overkill.
I havent looked into Riby Ridge, im unfamiliar with that.
No problem, Brad, and I'm not trying to start an argument. We're just looking at the events from different angles.
BTW, I spent 25 yrs in uniform before retiring in 1993, Albuquerque PD.
I am not going to applaud or condemn the actions in Russia .... I am going to look at it from this angle ....
You are in charge of the situation, you have 40 possibly 50 heavily armed, desperate people holding 700 innocents in a building.
In a world turning upside down you have to believe that these people mean business and are prepared to die for their cause with absolutely no consideration for their hostages.
You have to consider that any one of, if not all of these people are wired remotely to the explosives which could destroy the building and all in it at a moments notice.
You have to consider that they could be in spread over all parts of the building, so a full frontal assault/rescue mission is doomed to failure, any sign of a rescue is going to trigger a catastophe with possibly 100% casualties.
The terrorists have given you a deadline ... the clock is ticking people .... given the choices what would YOU do ?
I personally don't know what I would do, I am just glad I did not have to make that decision.
The Russians, based on what I saw and the info our fair and balanced news programs provided, were caught in a no-win situation.
If they didn't do anything, especially since the terrorists had begun to kill people, theyd be condemned. They acted and it turned out less than favorable, so they're being criticized.
I think, considering the fact that the terrorists were more than willing to level the theater to prove their point, that Russia made the right move. The news stations have interviewed a couple of survivors and they say the same thing. They were in the theater and I think have a better view on what was going on than us.
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I disagree. What happened in Waco just proved how far the US is willing to go against it's own citizens to stamp out dissent.
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They shot some police officers and when that happens, I draw the line.
Shooting anyone is wrong, police officer or not. Six ATF agents were shot. 76 men , women and children were killed in the fire started by the ATF.
Anyway, Brad. It seems I've taken this thread way off topic. We'll just have to agree to disagree.;)
Remember- To serve and PROTECT....
If you know that Naloxone/Narcan is being used to treat the victims, it's not that hard to figure out anymore what gas has been used...
Here's a wild guess: Fentanyl!
Synthetic drug, first synthesized in Belgium (oops), anestetic, ultra-potent version,...Quote:
Fentanyl is a synthetic narcotic. First synthesized in Belgium in the late 1950s, fentanyl was introduced into clinical practice in the 1960s as an intravenous anesthetic under the trade name of Sublimaze. Thereafter, two other fentanyl analogues were introduced: alfentanil (Alfenta), an ultra-short (5-10 minutes) acting analgesic, and sufentanil (Sufenta), an exceptionally potent analgesic for use in heart surgery. Today fentanyl is extensively used for anesthesia and analgesia. Illicit use of pharmaceutical fentanyl first appeared in the mid 1970s in the medical community and continues to be a problem in the U.S. To date, over 12 different analogues of fentanyl have been produced clandestinely for American drug users. The biological effects of fentanyl is indistinguishable from that of heroin with the exception that fentanyl may be hundreds of times more potent. Fentanyl is most commonly used by intravenous administration, but like heroin, may be smoked or snorted.
Anestetists here in Belgium have to go to school for more than 8 years... Maybe Russian 'elite' troops are way smarter than our doctors :s
If you know that Naloxone/Narcan is being used to treat the victims, it's not that hard to figure out anymore what gas has been used...
Here's a wild guess: Fentanyl!
Synthetic drug, first synthesized in Belgium (oops), anestetic, ultra-potent version,...Quote:
Fentanyl is a synthetic narcotic. First synthesized in Belgium in the late 1950s, fentanyl was introduced into clinical practice in the 1960s as an intravenous anesthetic under the trade name of Sublimaze. Thereafter, two other fentanyl analogues were introduced: alfentanil (Alfenta), an ultra-short (5-10 minutes) acting analgesic, and sufentanil (Sufenta), an exceptionally potent analgesic for use in heart surgery. Today fentanyl is extensively used for anesthesia and analgesia. Illicit use of pharmaceutical fentanyl first appeared in the mid 1970s in the medical community and continues to be a problem in the U.S. To date, over 12 different analogues of fentanyl have been produced clandestinely for American drug users. The biological effects of fentanyl is indistinguishable from that of heroin with the exception that fentanyl may be hundreds of times more potent. Fentanyl is most commonly used by intravenous administration, but like heroin, may be smoked or snorted.
Anestetists here in Belgium have to go to school for more than 8 years... Maybe Russian 'elite' troops are way smarter than our doctors :s
I say after we get done with Iraq, we just just fly over to Russia and bomb all thier Vodka plants. heh.
Chuck56: I salute you sir.
I say after we get done with Iraq, we just just fly over to Russia and bomb all thier Vodka plants. heh.
Chuck56: I salute you sir.