who hates the new fascist mangament?

I don't think MsMittens intended to imply that you caused her more grief... she's just trying to show some of the difficulties that arise with censorship. Maybe if some of the membership saw what kind of dilemmas the moderators face, then they can accept the fact that some borderline posts are pulled and some are not. No matter how black and white an AUP may make it, I guarantee someone will come up with a post in a gray area, and the moderators will have to make a tough call. Let's let them do their job and see how it goes. It'll take a little time to adjust, but I, for one, have high hopes.

No. You didn't cause me grief. You bring up good points and that's why I don't mind the discussion, when it's a discussion and not just a rant. Unfortunately, even though I've asked a second time of stuFFit to edit the post he's refused. I have deleted the post. Maybe I was wrong to do so but I did find it offensive. In this case, I don't think it's a grey area.

I think once the AUP is in place, this kind of discussion will be moot.

I also believe that we have to realize that people from all walks of life come here, from a variety of backgrounds. Making remarks about someone just because they are german, white, black, arab, jewish, etc., IMHO, have no place here. Will some posts be harder to judge? Certainly. I would, for one, like to see a moderator's only forum where we can discuss questionable posts (I find that PMs are limiting) as well as having the ability to move threads off the front of the site.

It's not too appealling to new users to read posts on how horrible "so-and-so" is, especially when the site is supposed to be about security.

the original post on the original site is still there .... find that amusing

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Originally posted here by allenb1963
Simple question here StreetRunner. Why not notify the member and give them a chance to edit their post before you just delete it? ...

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That's a good point and I often do, but in this case I din't think editing/changing a few words would work.

Just a couple of small remarks...

- A referee is rarely a better player than the players themselves. Same goes for moderators (welp... for StreetRunner and me; not for MsMittens ;) ).

- As MsMittens stated before: "security administrators and others need to be aware of political events". Cosmos originally was intented to be a 'private' forum (access would only be granted to people who'd have been invited - I wouldn't mind Cosmos being a real private forum. When you've been granted access, you can't bitch about 'offensive' posts anymore.) That's what my original intent was: a forum where you can state your opinion on politics, religion, sex,... without having to be afraid of being banned. We've had some pretty spiced up discussions on Cosmos (from people admitting they're gay over revisionists to people claiming the cosmos is shaped like a donut), but I've rarely had to delete a thread/post. I think it's obvious that posts only trying to get AO off the net, or posts only bitching about antipoints or the 'fascism' of the new management (on a side note to the original poster: Google "fascism", study what it was about, then come back bitching) should/will be deleted immediately.
JP never gave me guideliness on how to 'run' GCC, Tutorials or Cosmos. He never forced me to delete threads, he never pushed me. He didn't have to. An example: we all know JP is gay and his name has been mentioned in numerous Attrition/whatever articles (/me waves to Celfie). A thread titled 'Gay JP is a fraud' I didn't even need to read: I deleted it with my eyes closed. No need to bring up the word 'censorship'. Not only do I find threads like that inappropriate and insulting; nobody will learn from it, and that's what's important.

Human moderating indeed is subjective. Personally, I wouldn't have deleted the original thread. I would have moved it to Cosmos, thus allowing people to learn from the original thread (which is not only historically incorrect, but also just a copy-and-paste, imo... ;) ), thus allowing people to react to it. If someone posted a thread calling all Belgians dickheads, I'd rather be able to reply to that particular person than seeing the thread deleted and being left alone with my frustrations (btw: for the bad understanders: people posting anti-war messages are not against Americans, they are against American government...doh). Me (and others) and KorpDeath (and others) for example don't get along at all when it comes to politics, but I like that guy. We have other mutual interests, and I'm pretty sure we'd get along if I'd ever meet him..thanks to Cosmos.
That's what Cosmos is about imo: vent your opinion, then go have a beer (Belgian beer, puleaaase).. Get rid of that, and all you'll have left is a clinical, technical, no-nonsense, 'clean' security-forum. Same goes for Genereal Chit Chat.

The abolishment of antipoints in non-security related forums has been suggested over and over again. The answer always has been 'no', because of one simple get-around method (figure it out yourself ;) ).
As for Cosmos and other non-security related forums not showing up on the front-page: I completely agree.

I'm done.. I think.. for now...
PS: I don't have full moderator-ship (yet?), but if I ever will, my first task will be to move all those posts in the "Antionline. How do I? Or what is?'-forum... jeebus.

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That's what I thought addicts would be too... <shrug> Go figure. I'm just sort of leaving this as an "I'm alive at this point." post rather than some sort of suggestion that I know what the hell is really going on anymore :)

I always type out my posts in a text-editor before posting them... my text-editor version said 'people who'd have been invented'.. go figure ;)

negative says it best (his second to last post ) meow meow fascism is the convergence of corpratism and goverment - (paraphrased from )Mussolini

If you support your right to talk about large groups of peaple in a bad way, then you should also support me when I talk about you & your mother, right? But come on, man. Theres a difference between stretching whats politically correct and whats not, as oppossed to ranting.

(example)
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...492#post608492

The way I see it.... When you make a site its your property not someone else's. What your doing is more like walking into someones home and yelling/crying to the guests inside then wondering why the peaple inside boot you out or put ducktape over your mouth. Except in here you can make another account and come or leave whenever you feel like it. Nobodies taking away your rights here because you could just make your own site or come back with a different account when your banned. You try makeing yourself out to be some kinda 'activist' yet you come across as nothing more then a freaking clown that nobody wants to listen to.

Heck even in the U.S.A. you often need to take care of your taxes/bills to hold a nice spot in society and the words that come out of your mouth are only worth something intil the peaple who listen to you out number the ones who won't.

WTF?

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i do. i had my wonderful post deleted "summary of germany's history" because the new mangament is prolly german and can't take the truth like they take the shaft.......

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By rollin post #1

I do not think that this is the case.This has nothing todo with history. Your way off. Get serious will you. Where do you get your information from. I think that your post is very insulting towards Jupiter and any German person.

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haha, ze Germans appear to be afraid of free speech. the Germans are the most ungrateful bunch of punks on earth. Reagan helps them tear down the Berlin wall and evict the USSR, and they repay us by stabbing us in the back. France is their new friend. long live the Franco-Prussian Empire!
punks.

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By moby_duck post #5

Well, i dont know what to say to this. The fact that im in Greece, and my main nationality is German....im deeply insulted by you. How dare you say something like this. YOu should be banned for this. Damn you! Idiot.


I am not against freedom of speech in any way. But comming up with insults like that is not right. This whole issure started out what happened in the past. The Germans now do not disagree at what had happened in the past. Its not like the German people had a choice at those nazi times. They were forced. Anyone who did not support Hitler, was executed. Whats the point of the anti - german post? Does it make ME a bad person, a wrong person, or like that freak moby pointed out, a punk? I think that personal opinions are important, and should be respected, but to start a thread on something thats history and start flaming it has nothing got todo with opinions. Thats plain insulting and totally wrong. I also think that the original thread was intended not to show how bad the germans were, but how good the USA is, by always saying how much they have done. Well, let me tell you something. The USA has bombed more countries and has killed more people than any other country or war. But still, i do not blame the USA. Its not the USA, but its the greedy governments behind. And that applies for all countries. Its not the countries, but the greedy governments behind. So nor was it germany, it was Hitler, (hitler was not even german). With what right do you blame a country (the people). Am i responsible for the killing of the jews, or the attacks on european countries, or my parents, or what? In any case, its definetaly NOT "moby" or "rollin" who have the right to judge that. Nor do i think that anyone on these forumes has the right to judge that. Im was deeply insulted by this thread, i did not post to it, nor neg it nor anything. I simply tried to ignore it. Now by reading this thread, i finally saw the intelligence of the people who actually post. Meaning absolutely 0. Thanks to MSMITTENS, and NEGATIVE who actually posted intelligent stuff to this thread here, some of the people who have no idea about history or anything human related, some facts have been cleared. Now to get to the point of this thread here. I dont think that a poster shoule be informed about deleting a thread or it will be deleted by admins, moderators or anyone. The people who are moderators, or admins are not what they are by pure luck. They have been chosen by people who know what they are doing. If you dont like the policy, then go elsewhere. Noone is forcing you to come here. This is a security site, and yes, sometimes politics are discussed here, and thats not bad or wrong. Aslong as its not insulting towards anything that are not responsible. These kinds of posts are dangerous. Maybe a change of political posts should be introduced to AO after all. Im sorry if i insulted anyone here, i sure as hell am insulted. And just one more thing i would like to point out to "rollin". The USA did not help germany due to good will or anything like that. It was all about power and own benefit. Before you ask in what ways, go lookup your history and anything related to these subjects. This post is orientated against "rollin" and "moby". Not anyone else.

Im sorry if my post does not make much sense. I just woke up (sunday morning, nice weather) and i got really upset reading this **** here. And "rollin", if you dont like the new management, then go away. Noone is forcing you to come here. This community is fine the way it is, we dont need **** like that from you or anyone else.

Good bye now!

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