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May 6th, 2004, 08:54 AM
pwaring

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Originally posted here by gore
It comes with more programs...

Such as what? Most of the stuff on the SUSE CDs is software that you can obtain elsewhere (emerge packagename usually does the trick for me). Sure, it's nice to have it all on CD and not have to wait for it to download, but then you're paying for loads of stuff that you probably don't want.

I'm not bashing SUSE here - it was the first proper Linux distro that I paid for and I was happy with it for some time. However, just because it comes with more initial packages doesn't instantly make it better than any other distro. Some of us like to be able to start with a minimal install and then build up - something which SUSE (last time I tried it) didn't let you do and indeed shouldn't because it's not targetted at users who want minimal installations.
May 6th, 2004, 01:14 PM
Shrekkie

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it was the first proper Linux distro that I paid for and I was happy with it for some time.

Exactly the same for me.
May 6th, 2004, 01:14 PM
Shrekkie

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it was the first proper Linux distro that I paid for and I was happy with it for some time.

Exactly the same for me.
May 6th, 2004, 03:50 PM
cgkanchi

I still like Slack. The only thing that's missing is a good update tool. But for that, there's SWARET. True, it's still in beta, but that's ok. What I like best about Slack is that it doesn't have any of those wimpy graphical tools (linuxconf/setup, yast, *drake) that cause more trouble than anything else. If you want something setup, learn to do it right.

Cheers,
cgkanchi
May 6th, 2004, 03:50 PM
cgkanchi

I still like Slack. The only thing that's missing is a good update tool. But for that, there's SWARET. True, it's still in beta, but that's ok. What I like best about Slack is that it doesn't have any of those wimpy graphical tools (linuxconf/setup, yast, *drake) that cause more trouble than anything else. If you want something setup, learn to do it right.

Cheers,
cgkanchi
May 6th, 2004, 09:03 PM
gore

SuSE has no minimal? Hmm, silly me, the 300 times I've installed it I must have been imagining that I saw "Minimal install" on the screen, and in the books. Something that allows a 400 MB or so install.

YAST2 is one of the best appications ever made. You won't be emerging that.

SuSE Firewall2... And not to mention SuSE has licensed software in it, which is why when you do FTP installs, some things are missing.

Now, name ONE Linux distro that comes with more security tools than SuSE. Don't even say PHLAK, or any other bootable CD. SuSE has over 100. They have to sections during the custom install just for security tools.

I don't know about you, but YAST2 CAN run in runlevel 3. Up2date looks like crap in that, so for the people saying it's to easy, init 3 and like it.

Some of you really do not care about Linux in general, if you did, you'd see that for Linux to excel, it can NOT be that damned hard to use, or no one will want to except us.
May 6th, 2004, 09:03 PM
gore

SuSE has no minimal? Hmm, silly me, the 300 times I've installed it I must have been imagining that I saw "Minimal install" on the screen, and in the books. Something that allows a 400 MB or so install.

YAST2 is one of the best appications ever made. You won't be emerging that.

SuSE Firewall2... And not to mention SuSE has licensed software in it, which is why when you do FTP installs, some things are missing.

Now, name ONE Linux distro that comes with more security tools than SuSE. Don't even say PHLAK, or any other bootable CD. SuSE has over 100. They have to sections during the custom install just for security tools.

I don't know about you, but YAST2 CAN run in runlevel 3. Up2date looks like crap in that, so for the people saying it's to easy, init 3 and like it.

Some of you really do not care about Linux in general, if you did, you'd see that for Linux to excel, it can NOT be that damned hard to use, or no one will want to except us.
May 7th, 2004, 05:53 AM
cgkanchi

I'm not saying that SuSe is bad, just that I don't like it. Hell, it could be the best distro for beginners ever and I still wouldn't like it. All I'm saying is that, once you know what you're doing, it's easier to edit a configuration file than use a graphical tool. And you never get to the point where you know what you're doing if you have a graphical tool to hold your hand all the time. SuSe is great for people who want to just get into Linux OR Linux gurus. But not for the rest of us who really want to learn.

Cheers,
cgkanchi
May 7th, 2004, 05:53 AM
cgkanchi

I'm not saying that SuSe is bad, just that I don't like it. Hell, it could be the best distro for beginners ever and I still wouldn't like it. All I'm saying is that, once you know what you're doing, it's easier to edit a configuration file than use a graphical tool. And you never get to the point where you know what you're doing if you have a graphical tool to hold your hand all the time. SuSe is great for people who want to just get into Linux OR Linux gurus. But not for the rest of us who really want to learn.

Cheers,
cgkanchi
May 7th, 2004, 07:24 AM
gore

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Originally posted here by cgkanchi
I'm not saying that SuSe is bad, just that I don't like it. Hell, it could be the best distro for beginners ever and I still wouldn't like it. All I'm saying is that, once you know what you're doing, it's easier to edit a configuration file than use a graphical tool. And you never get to the point where you know what you're doing if you have a graphical tool to hold your hand all the time. SuSe is great for people who want to just get into Linux OR Linux gurus. But not for the rest of us who really want to learn.

Cheers,
cgkanchi

SuSE comes with Vi just like every other version, so you can still edit configuration files by hand, as I have done. But when I'm running late, I don't have the time to sit and go through it by hand sometimes. But I have, so don't say SuSe makes you not want to learn. I've learned a lot on SuSE. You could always type "init 3".

I guess it's odd that my favorite is SuSE and my second is Slackware.

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