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You're "normal"....deal with it....Quote:
Originally posted here by RoadClosed
I have an enormous "masterbation" gene or some "chemical" imbalance. Why is that, is satan hanging out in my soul or am I an animal? Or do I lack internal controls? Who knows...
And you say I am narrow minded. I am done with your idiocy.Quote:
However, it's a logical assumtion that the majority of gays are born as a result of hetrosexual activity so that tends to discredit the "gene" theory.
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However, it's a logical assumtion that the majority of gays are born as a result of hetrosexual activity so that tends to discredit the "gene" theory
I totaly disagree with this. Whilst i will exept that enviroment can play a part in, the life chioses we make, i do not believe that our inviroment can dictate how we end up. I believe that is down to some other thing in our make up. That must be some form of breading or biological reason.
Greetings All:
Well, it seems that most of the other homosexuals that frequent the site are still hiding in their little closets that they make for themselves. Being one of the only resident openly homosexual men that post, I suppose I am somewhat obligated to respond to this thread.
As usual, most of the comments in this thread from the resident Christians are nearsighted and misinformed. But hey, I guess that's to be expected.
This answer is hardly "the best", and is no where near being "profound". This woman, by definition, is BISEXUAL and by definition, is not HOMOSEXUAL.Quote:
Originally posted here by |3lack|ce
The best and most profound answer came from a girl I know who said, "I could've fallen in love with anyone. I just happened to fall in love with a woman first."
This is the same argument that the Catholics use. It's not "immoral" or "sinful" to BE homosexual, it's "immoral" or "sinful" to engage in homosexuality activity. This leaves us homos with two choices:Quote:
Originally posted here by AngelicKnight
Fortunately, we are creatures of free will that do not have to follow the desires we are born with...
1. Lie to ourselves and our future heterosexual partner about who we really are. Gay men use to do this a LOT before the 70s. The result? They were able to live with their lies for a while, but eventually either started to cheat on their wives, or started getting divorced. This answer isn't right for the gay man who's made to feel that it's wrong for him to be true to himself about who he really is, and it's wrong for the gay man's partner who's being forced to become an unknowing participant in a relationship based on said lie. Telling people that they should live a lie is just sick.
2. Live our lives alone. This is what most religious organizations REALLY expect of homosexuals, assuming we don't want to burn in hell as sinners. Why do you think there are SOOOOOO many gay Catholic Priests? I would venture to go as far as to say that MOST Catholic Priests are gay men that became priests as a way for them to attempt to avoid their sexuality all together, and in turn, avoid burning in hell. Telling people they should live their lives alone because of their sexuality is just sick too.
That's not a sad truth. That's a sad load of horse crap. Anyone that thinks that people get into homosexual relationships because they "give up" on the opposite sex is just a sadly misinformed and sheltered individual. That would be like me saying that you are in a heterosexual relationship because you can't get along with the guys. The issue of sexuality is far more fundamental than that.Quote:
Originally posted here by AngelicKnight
I can understand why some throw up their hands and give up on the opposite sex. I think a lot of these people are finding within the same sex what they should be able to find but can't in the opposite sex, and I find that to be a sad truth.
Unfortunately, this isn't a dumb question. It's a VERY important question, that religious lobby groups and organizations around the world are trying to AVOID. Why? Because when it's proven, as I know that it will be, that people are BORN homosexual, and that it is not a "CHOICE", governments will be hard pressed not to grant homosexuals the equal rights and benefits that they grant heterosexuals. Religious organizations argue that homosexuality is a CHOICE, and as such, people that CHOOSE to live in homosexual relationships should be granted no special privilege for making that CHOICE. However, once it's proven that homosexuals have no CHOICE as to their sexuality, to deny them equal rights and protections would be just as bigoted and openly wrong as denying African Americans, who by the way have no CHOICE as to the color of their skin, equal rights as well.Quote:
Originally posted here by Donkey Punch
IMO, this is a pretty dumb question because it is like asking you when, how and why you like girls.
There's another factor to consider here. When it is proven that homosexuals are BORN homosexuals, a very serious issue of doctrine is raised for the religious. If homosexuals are BORN that way, it would be hard to argue that god didn't CREATE them that way, and as such, INTENDED there to be homosexuals. How could god CREATE and INTEND someone to be something that he in the bible CONDEMNS? This gets me back to the Catholic Church. Ever wonder why out of the blue they came out with their updated teaching that BEING gay isn't a sin, it's ENGAGING in homosexual behavior that is? The reason is clear: the church sees this issue coming, and they're trying to cover their asses (pardon the pun).
There were actually federally funded studies in the US underway as to the nature of sexuality. The Bush Administration cancelled all of such funding, and as a result all of the studies, when they came into office. I wonder why the religious are so afraid of finding out the truth? As I've said in other posts, most religions would rather not know the truth, or choose to ignore it, than to admit contradictions in their teachings. For them, protecting the validity of that old, outdated book of fairy tales (aka Bible) is the most important thing of all...
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JP, thanks. Although the original question remains pretty well unanswered, you did give a serious response and helped provide me with a bit of clarity. You have my gratitude for sharing your insight with me.
I didn't intend for this to be the flame job it turned out to be. I just wanted to be able to have an informed opinion about a subject I know next to nothing about.
I would love to see what the findings will be, and I am looking on Google to research this more. You see, I was raised a Jehovah's Witness, another extreme religious group based on "don't ask don't tell" policies. I denied I was bi for many, many years until I went to see a shrink wondering why I wanted to commit suicide. Come to find out, the shrink asked me point blank, "How long have you known you were gay or liked men?" Then it all came out.Quote:
There were actually federally funded studies in the US underway as to the nature of sexuality. The Bush Administration cancelled all of such funding, and as a result all of the studies, when they came into office. I wonder why the religious are so afraid of finding out the truth? As I've said in other posts, most religions would rather not know the truth, or choose to ignore it, than to admit contradictions in their teachings.
Now I am in the current situation where I am trying to get out of a marriage because I lied to myself for so many years as you have pointed out. My wife is not happy at all that she found out I like guys too, but better to tell her than lie to her anymore. Also, it is not fair to her either. I let myself out of JW's in 1996, and I lost some friends because of what they found out. That is OK, because I'd rather not lie to myself either... and you know what? I am finding a lot of support too, it is way cool.
As for the dumb question thing, it is so obvious it is a dumb question in my own mind anyway because why ask why? I just know it to be so, but yeah, that can be just as ignorant as those asking the orginal question. Without the research and the "in the know" ****, how can it be explained? Personally, it is sad this does have to be explained. Oh well.
Greetings:
Unfortunately, the "answer" hasn't been conclusively and scientific determined yet. However, there was an interesting article in the New York Times a while back, that I was able to dig up a link to entitled Are some people born gay. You may want to give it a glance.Quote:
It's based on old research, but as I've said before, once people were beginning to realize where the research was pointing, a lot of funding for it was cancelled.
Asking "why?" is what brings about knowlege and progress, that's why. For the third time, I'm sorry if my question insulted you, but you need to realize that I'm seeking knowlege here in order to increase my capacity to understand.Quote:
why ask why?
What....am I supposed to just magically know EVERYTHING? If I follow your line of thinking I should have been born with the ability to comprehend algebra and quantum mechanics.Quote:
Personally, it is sad this does have to be explained. Oh well.
Thanks for letting me know I'm ignorant. However let me point out that I am at least trying to move beyond my ignorance, whereas your comments seem to indicate that you are perfectly content with yours.Quote:
...that can be just as ignorant as those asking the orginal question.
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Personally, I take no offense to anything that allenb1963 has asked. I think the question was asked in a responsible and mature manner. I see nothing wrong with "straight" people wanting to understand "gay" people better. Heck, I've had straight friends ask very blunt questions about the type of sexual activity that gay people engage in before. Honestly none of it bothers me at all. (That is NOT an invitation for people to ask those types of questions here. AntiOnline is NOT the appropriate medium for such questions, haha).
I think the more that people understand each other, the more likely that they are to accept each other.
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An informative link...again I extend my gratitude.Quote:
Originally posted here by JP
Greetings:
Unfortunately, the "answer" hasn't been conclusively and scientific determined yet. However, there was an interesting article in the New York Times a while back, that I was able to dig up a link to entitled Are some people born gay. You may want to give it a glance.
It's based on old research, but as I've said before, once people were beginning to realize where the research was pointing, a lot of funding for it was cancelled.
One more thing JP...thanks for not finding my question offensive. Understand that I don't have any bias against homosexuals....but I do admit feeling disgust towards small-minded folks REGARDLESS of their sexual orientation.