The Former YugoslavRepublic of Macedonia???? What is that for a ****???? Macedonia was part from BULGARIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Former YugoslavRepublic of Macedonia???? What is that for a ****???? Macedonia was part from BULGARIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmmmmmmmmm.......................
I believe that a number of Greeks will say that Macedonia is theirs................I cannot recall a King Philip of Bulgaria? :D
I thought that the row about Macedonia was between Albania and Greece?
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Being the ignorant American I am, I have to ask this...
Where's Bulgaria? Standard answer - Who cares? We didn't lose anything there and you never hear from them anyway. };-)>
Now to be a *slight* bit more serious - and quote Heinlein for the nth time (can you tell I love his works?)
The following is from "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Robert A. Heinlein
Ok, so I know where Bulgaria is - at least in that sense - It's several hours from my local airport. Get on the commuter plane to Dallas, board a big jet liner and sleep most of the way, and *poof* I'm in Bulgaria. Finding it is the plane's problem.Quote:
We were building a shorter catapult, a 10-g job, but even that was thirty kilometers long, too big to hide.
So we hid it by Purloined Letter method.
I used to question Mike's endless reading of fiction, wondering what notions he was getting. But turned out he got a better feeling for human life from stories than he had been able to garner from facts; fiction gave him a gestalt of life, one taken for granted by a human; he lives it. Besides this "humanizing" effect, Mike's substitute for experience, he got ideas from "not-true data" as he called fiction. How to hide a catpult he got from Edgar Allen Poe.
We hid it in literal sense, too; this catapult had to be underground, so that it would not show to eye or radar. But had to be hidden in more subtle sense; seleographic location had to be secret.
How can this be, with a monster that big, worked on by so many people? Put it this way: Suppose you live in Novylen; know where Luna City is? Why, on east edge of Mare Crisium; everybody knows that. So? What latitude and longitude? Huh? Look it up in a reference book! So? If you don't know where any better than that, how did you find it last week? No huhu, cobber; I took tube, changed at Torricelli, slept rest of way; finding it was capsule's worry.
See? You dont know where Luna City is! You simply get out when capsule pulls in at Tube Station South.
That's how we hid catapult.
I submit to you that this is why most Americans don't know much in the way of geography - they have no real need of it, so they don't bother learning it in school. In fact, most schools don't teach geography these days, it having become a lost art. I suppose that if I were to learn celestial navigation someday and acquire the proper charts, I could sail a ship there, but what's the real need right now? I have no ship to sail, nor any desire to visit you in your homeland. So I leave such knowledge to the ones who do need it - the pilots, navigators, and cartographers of the world.
Back to Iraq. Do we really care where it is? IMHO and I'm sure many here in the US agree with me - the whole bloody mess should be converted to a giant 'glass parking lot' and let us be shed of them and their terroristic ways.
As for the US being the one to interfere in everyone else's business I give you this:
When you're the biggest kid on the block, you tend to want to stay that way. To stay that way, you must stick your nose into everyone's business, and enforce the rules you set up. If you don't like it, by all means feel free to help your country to that 'biggest kid on the block' status - we'll be happy to hand you your ass when you try it too..
Nuff said. I'm done with this thread.
[edit] fixed a typo in the quote[/edit]
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Originally posted here by Danielsd
Hey guys, do you know where BULGARIA is??? No, you don't!!!!
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That is the problem of all Americans and all super powers in the world!!! You don't care!!! If you was giving more money for education, not for war, then perhaps you would know where Iraq is!
You have a good point there...
Probably the only reason I know where Iraq is, is because I was in school the last time the US went to war in the Middle-East, and they crammed Middle-Eastern goegraphy down our throats.
I'm not confident that I would know where Iraq is, were this not the case...
This year's (2005) federal education budget is around 57.3 BILLION dollars. That doesn't include local taxes and initiatives by communities. This years Iraq budget is 25 BILLION. Source? The House Approprations commitee.Quote:
If you was giving more money for education, not for war, then perhaps you would know where Iraq is!
Nihil, Macedonia is east of Albania. Greece is south of Albania :).
Cybr1d
I am talking about the times when my ancestors were living up trees picking fleas off eachother!
Pre-history?, neolithic (stone age), bronze age?..................
Where does the "Marathon" come from?............the 300 Spartans..............and so on...............
hmmmmmmmmm..............had trouble with those bloody Iranians (Xerxes and his Persian army), even back then? :D
As I recall, there was this spy who watched Xerxes and his mob march past for three whole days.....he reported to his boss that he did not think that they were going to the Greek Islands for their vacations :D
|3lack|ce
Geography, at least in Ireland, is not just about the phsyical location of a country. It also deals with culture, traditions, phsyical and climatic profiles of the area, etc. It is a subject on which many others depend. In anycase I find the reasons you give for not knowing about the world are some of the worst I've heard.Quote:
I submit to you that this is why most Americans don't know much in the way of geography - they have no real need of it, so they don't bother learning it in school. In fact, most schools don't teach geography these days, it having become a lost art.
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Roadclosed how much of that 57 billion actually gets to the schools? Probably the 0.3. About the same as in Ireland.
I think STALIN said, but I'm not sure: "If man is existing there are problems. If man is not existing there is no problem :)"Quote:
hmmmmmmmmm..............had trouble with those bloody Iranians (Xerxes and his Persian army), even back then? :D
In Bulgaria we are learning Geography the same way. Last year for example we was speaking all the year for the different countrys. And that all the year! One hour fro FRANCE, for AMERICA, Germany, South Africa, Brasil ......... and so on.Quote:
Geography, at least in Ireland, is not just about the phsyical location of a country. It also deals with culture, traditions, phsyical and climatic profiles of the area, etc. It is a subject on which many others depend. In anycase I find the reasons you give for not knowing about the world are some of the worst I've heard.
Only the budget for Iraq is 25 Billions and the money for the other troups????????????Quote:
This year's (2005) federal education budget is around 57.3 BILLION dollars. That doesn't include local taxes and initiatives by communities. This years Iraq budget is 25 BILLION. Source? The House Approprations commitee.
Nihil after our liberation from Turkey in 1878 Macedonia was our. But thanks to Bismark and all "GREAT SUPER POWERS" it is not anymore. 10 centurys ago it was also our! Doesn't matter I don't want it!Quote:
Hmmmmmmmmmm.......................
I believe that a number of Greeks will say that Macedonia is theirs................I cannot recall a King Philip of Bulgaria?
I thought that the row about Macedonia was between Albania and Greece?
|3lack|ce normally the biggest kid know what is going on with his brothers! I think you didn't find still weapon for mass destruction in Iraq!Quote:
When you're the biggest kid on the block, you tend to want to stay that way
But you all don't understand! You(Americans) don't have the right to decide what is right or what not if you don't know something for a country that you attack! If you even don't have an idea where it is on the map!
Muracu - we have the study of cultures as well. We call it Sociology and it's taught in colleges.
Danielsd - I'm afraid you missed the point, and if my closing is the only thing from that lengthy post you can attack, you're sorely hurting - please go back and re-read it.
Obviously we knew where Iraq was - we went there and beat the **** out of them not once, but twice now. What gave us the right? That's for the politicians to justify - I justify it in my own mind by saying 'Because we can, and they pissed us off.'
The wmd issue has already been hashed and rehashed and raked through the mud by our own media, and most especially by the party that *lost* the presidential election. I shan't address it further here.
We do understand - those educated few of us understand all to well what's going on. There are many out there in our country who are so apathetic or ignorant so as not to be able to point to Iraq on a map, but again, they have the 'I really don't need to know that do I?' mentality. The point I tried to illustrate in my previous post was the reasoning behind it. The people en masse do not have to know *exactly* where a country is on a map. Those who do need to know, know.
(yes, I reneged on my promise that the previous was my final post here, but hey...don't we all at one time or another?) So this time, I'll sign off saying - Yes, I'll post again if it gets interesting...