Canada and cannabis

I don't want to get in the middle of this because you guys obviously know more about drugs than I do...but...my earlier comments apply regardless...and

nature, god, Order, or whatever you choose to call it has designed man to utilize everything that exists within our grasp...the problem lies in the fact we often do not use things correctly...who knows if a 100 years from now we might discover that tobacco ( which , has already been discovered to be a very beneficial and healthy food additive if you extract the juices and pound the leaves into flour...which the government has suggested to be added to flour sent to third world countries to beef up their nutritional value ) is a great way to beat foot fungus...

everything is good in moderation...if...ahem...we're using it right in the first place ! :D

P.S. I smoke...so this is not a rub against smokers...sure we can light it and smoke it but we can light and smoke crabgrass too...your arguments about using a drug because we can and it affects us this way or that doesn't hold water as an argument...because we haven't exhausted all the other potential uses for them...it's a safe bet to say that if we are using something and we derive negative effects from it ...we are either using it incorrectly or failed in it's development! :)

Oh...and sorry jinxy but the news report got it wrong...it happened in Afghanistan not Iraq while our troops were in wargames and everyone knew we were there...the pilots ignored the order to confirm and ignored the order to stop...they were off-mission, they shouldn't have even been there...a sad thing to blame on drugs...most Canadians didn't want them to go to jail...but we expected more than a slap on the wrist.
nothing to do with you, jinxy...the news report got it wrong, not you !

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Oh...and sorry jinxy but the news report got it wrong...it happened in Afghanistan not Iraq while our troops were in wargames and everyone knew we were there...the pilots ignored the order to confirm and ignored the order to stop...they were off-mission, they shouldn't have even been there...a sad thing to blame on drugs...most Canadians didn't want them to go to jail...but we expected more than a slap on the wrist.
nothing to do with you, jinxy...the news report got it wrong, not you !

I had not even seen that bit................................I just new for sure that drugs have been used to keep pilots awake in combat and the article was the first I came across that gave some backup. I didn't even read it through.

As for the Blue on Blueincedent you mention. It happens, Falklands, SAS on SBS, Royal Navy on My old mob..........Iraq 1, A10 on Brit armourd inf section and countless others.

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Originally posted here by Negative
I was saying that your argument that "humans are made to use opium because they have a receptor in the brain that receives the opium-parts" doesn't stand. I countered that by saying that when you get poisoned (by curare for example), the same receptors get blocked by that poison. Does that mean that humans are made to be poisoned, like they are "made to use opium"?

Your brain consists of receptors with different shapes. Neurotransmitters with the correct sizes can "dock" in those receptors. What nicotine does, for example, is mimicking the shape of the ACh (acetylcholine, a natural neurotransmitter), allowing it do dock in the correct receptor. It's called an agonist, as opposed to an antagonist (curare, most snake venoms,...) where the drug blocks out ACh. Since ACh is vital to muscle action, you die...

Just because there's a receptor for opium, doesn't mean that opium is made to be used. Healthy people have their own opium-factory built-in (endorphins) :)
It is true that opium can be partly beneficial if your body doesn't produce enough endorphins, but for healthy people it's a bad idea to use them since they'll destroy the natural production of endorphins, which is exactly what makes you hooked.

OK, I'll give you your du (Pun), just because something is natural doesn't mean you SHOULD use it. But I think that I as a human being believing in God and living in a Country that says in God we trust, should be ABLE, without prison. and I have already said quite a few times that Opiates help me very much so to do things I usually can't. Like Work, School, stay calm and not kill the ****er who cut me off.... Things most people can do without.

For people who have never had Opiates:

When you have an orgasm your body releases an Opiate. Now, how good does an orgasm feel? It feels like Opium but lasts not even close to half as long as an Opiate can. So now you know how it feels.

I will admit too, that Opiates can feel different to other people. Some people get tired and fall asleep on them, some people, like me, get awake, and very alert and can concentrate MUCH better on them. and some people don't like them because they feel spaced out.

But that is a small population of people. There is the same small population who react to alcohol violently, and beat their wife and kids, so why isn't alcohol against the law too? Well, because 1, people did it anyway, 2, gangsters took over the market and killed lots of people, and 3 because the prices were set by the mob, people had to kill and steal to pay these high prices.

Just like what you have now with drugs. All drug related crimes would stop if they were legal. They wouldn't have to shoot people to pay the prices, because well, Opium and pot are both easy to grow, and gangs wouldn't be killing people over turf because they would no longer HAVE control of the market, and all around people wouldn't want to hurt anyone.

Negative, I have no clue if you've ever done any drugs, but anyone who has can tell you, Opiates take away your ability to think violently and your ability to want to hurt anyone. I've broken bones before in people for getting on my nerves. Now? I don't even think of doing that and actually feel bad I did.

as a great philosophical writer once said "There isn't a man alive who would hurt himself or others after using Opium". And you can't say Opiates hurt you where you'll become an idiot by using them. You can use it every day of your life and you still won't ever appear to be fried.

Albert E used them, you've already said a few things about that though, but to him they affected him in a way different from mine. Again, every drug affects people differently. I choose to use Opiates because they help me a lot. Again, I used to get failing grades all year round and got kicked out of school twice. I couldn't concentrate at all, and so I did bad.

after using Vicodin for a year I'm now a Straight A student with the occasional B. And I have career plans for my first time ever. I'm not saying everyone would do this if they started using Opiates, but I have and no one can argue with results.

I at first thought it was bullshit I was doing so well, so I performed a test. One class that was easy, I took no Vicodin, the other classes, I took between 1 and 4 pills a day.

The class that should have been easy for me, and I took no drugs, I got a D in it. I couldn't concentrate at all, and the material was so boring I couldn't read it. My ADD kicked my ass there.

The other class where I took 1 pill a day, I got a C in it. It still got boring though.

The class I took 4 a day for, I got an A, the class was never boring and I was not only very happy to be in class I was always prepaired, happy to do my homework and even studied because for once in my life I could actually concentrate enough to study.

You go YOUR whole life not being able to concentrate ever, and be in trouble for it because the teachers say you're just lazy and don't want to do it, and always being looked down upon by your family for it, and then one day hurt your back, and be given something that makes it seem like you CAN do it finally, and you show results by turning completely around, getting GOOD grades, actually caring about life again, not wanting to commit suicide anymore, and actually caring about what you'll be going to in 5 years instead of saying **** it, and then have people tell you what you're doing to get that way is wrong. How would YOU feel?

You're one of my friends here, you and Mel have seen me at good and bad times and always been great, so you I think understand me a bit more than most, but seriously, read the above paragraph and then honestly think I'm bad or ruining my life .

Like I said, I went my whole life being a **** up, and now I've found something that takes it away and has no bad side effects as long as I don't run out. I'm not wrong for doing it, God put that plant here for a reason, and no one is going to make me believe it's wrong.

Addiction means to me:

Knowing how it feels to REALLY want something, and ****ing get it.

Satisfaction is mine everyday, I get what I really want in a bottle, that has taught me money doesn't mean ****, don't be greedy, and be the best person you can be and don't ask for things you don't really need because what you really want comes in a bottle for 5 dollars a month.

Hmm, I'm not greedy, I'm doing great in school, I've got my dream job waiting for me when I graduate, and I won't ever **** anyone over because I have no cares about money and things like that. I want Vicodin, and my familly and friends and my computers I already have and my net connection. Oh and a house and car is good but that comes with getting a job.

I'm content with what I have an what I get thanks to a plant that God put here for everyone to use as we see fit (Genisis in the Bible), and there isn't a thing wrong with that.

Sure, I wouldn't say no to a Maclaren F1, but that's not because I think it's a luxury car that every rich person should have, I want it because it's a very high quality car with an engine inside that's a V12 made with love in Germany... Why is it almost anything high quality comes from Germany, my homeland? You're Belgium, I know you share a similar opinion. Lords of Acid ;)

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Originally posted here by Negative
Furthermore, it would mean that humans are made to be poisoned by curare, and snake and spider bites and almost every poison out there: they all mimick natural endorphins.

Name this movie :)