So what you're saying is that you have read a classified etc... list of latitude and longitude coordinates of our Missile Defense System nuclear payloads?
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So what you're saying is that you have read a classified etc... list of latitude and longitude coordinates of our Missile Defense System nuclear payloads?
Hi AS,
I have spoke to many Cubans...and of course they're going to swim, boat, or try to walk on water to get to America...they're poor and they hear how rich Americans are...just like the Mexicans, the Phillipians, Chinese, Indians, etc...and they all have their stories...it's called political asylum....it's how they circumvent the system other people like Neg have to go through....they're not going to kill the golden goose by singing the praises of Castro.
Simply...it's poverty these people are running away from...not Castro.
Hi Imitation,
I'm not saying Americans don't have a right to be pi@@ed about Cuba...two wrongs don't make a right...I'm just offering a little historical objectivism.
Eg ;)
There were a few other points I wanted to make but my head feels like it's been hit by a freight train right now so...if I remember...I'll continue where I left off later.
Muracu - you're full of crap. Speak on things you know about and stay away from things you don't.
Eggman - Of course we have the right. Castro said "I'm a communist! No, wait, I'm a capitalist!" Then when we were prepared to support him and aid him in power (and had already sent moneys and other goods to that effect) he said "Psyche!" - hence the butt stabbing.
Yes, we want Cuba as another Puerto Rico. Quiet, peaceful, cool place to visit. Don't get twisted off too badly when PR becomes state 51 (soon as we find a 52 worthy of joining - these things must be done by even numbers to keep the flag looking nicely ya know.)
I had the pleasure of serving with a Cuban during my stint in the Navy. He did quite a good job of explaining to me the history of the country of his birth, and why his family immigrated when Castro came to power. He couldn't explain why they love Castro as they do, but he assured me that the people there do love him. He described in detail what life for a Cuban was like from day to day, the economic problems, and why so many want to come to the US (yes, it's money, but just equal to that it's liberty - the freedom to speak as they wish without fear of reprisal). He told of a life of secret party police and those 'knocks on the door' we Americans associate with the Gestapo of WWII Germany or the KGB of the cold-war USSR. He told me about entire families being obliterated because one family member left on a boat to come to Miami.
Put away your bleeding heart for a bit Egg. I understand you sympathize with the 'more generous' poor Cubans in this, but please attempt to see the whys from this side of the fence too.
|3lack|ce What makes you think I dont know what I am talking about. If it is about the us having missiles pointed at cuba from the moment Castro allied with Russia then of course they had. The US stratigic command isnt stupid enought not to have targeted a few nukes on the closest hostile country during the cold war. Even ireland had a couple of nukes targeted at it from both sides just to stop the other side from using it as a base in the event of a war starting during the 60's.
as for "Muracu - your full of crap." you should really find some other way to start the discussion.
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No help from Cuba?!
Why would we refuse perfectly good and free help from Cuba just because of Castro?! I think that is stupid and makes me angry that our government cant get over stuff that happened over 40 years ago... im disappointed :(
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|3lack|ce's "full of crap" I believe stems from " you're talking out your arse" ;)
So where is the info on the warhead directions during the cold war.....before we flew a Dragon Lady over Cuba to obtain the FIRST photos. Surely we can't go on your word alone.
Yeah, and Saddam had these al-Amn al-Khas (Special Security), al-Amn al-'Amm (General Security), al-Istikhbarat (Military Intelligence), al-Mukhabarat (General Intelligence), and al-Amn al-'Askari (Military Security).Quote:
Originally posted here by |3lack|ce
He told of a life of secret party police and those 'knocks on the door' we Americans associate with the Gestapo of WWII Germany or the KGB of the cold-war USSR. He told me about entire families being obliterated because one family member left on a boat to come to Miami.
Kim Jong-il still to this day "breaking in" (raping) little virgins.............. I love how people are so quick to defend these people............really amazing................ they'll say "they're bad"/ "that's not the way to get rid of him"..........but at the end of the day they'll protect these dictators stability at all cost.
Hi l3lacklce,
Believe me I do understand the American side...and I could care less about Castro...but if we're are going to debate the problems then somebody needs to clarify the history that led up to the problems...Quote:
Put away your bleeding heart for a bit Egg. I understand you sympathize with the 'more generous' poor Cubans in this, but please attempt to see the whys from this side of the fence too.
America is NOT responsible for Cubans being poor...Castro is NOT responsible for Cubans being poor...the Cubans have always been poor...just like the Dominicans, the Haitians, even the Jamacians, etc...
that's what happens when you live on an island with few natural resources and few manufacturing centers...
England was poor too...until it built the largest military/navy in the world...
unless your a farmer .an island without tourism or manufacturing will make you poor fast...
there's more factors than Castro at work here...there's lots of blame to go around.
Hi Imitation,
The difference here is simple...Iraq has the resources to upgrade the life of it's citizens...so does Korea...Cuba ontheotherhand is an island with few resources left ( for reasons mentioned earlier ) so, getting rid of Castro will not solve the problem. The Cubans love Castro because he has improved the quality of life of Cubans despite the blockade...and would do much more if he could.
He may very well be a dictator, a tyrant, an evil SOB, but I can say with absolute certainty he's as patriotic towards Cuba as Americans are to the US.
This blockade has two purposes...to get rid of him ( which will never happen )...and to undermine him and his ability to improve the life of Cubans...
America cannot remove the blockade because then Castro will improve the life of Cubans as he said he would and they will love him even more...
so...America has to wait him out...and then, when he's dead, America can go in with their companies and their tourism and hopefully, this time, the mistakes of the past will not be repeated and the Cuban people will have jobs and money and life will be good.
Eg ;)
Rust - precisely.
Trust me my family went through the system in order to be here cause of the problems that were going on in El Salvador where I was born ... It's one thing being able to say that people circumvent the system but unless one has been in those shoes one does not truly understand why people do it. Not that I condone it in anyway since I'll be the very first person to say that's it wrong. But trust me when your born in a situation where it's either life or death sometimes people will break the rules.Quote:
Hi AS,
I have spoke to many Cubans...and of course they're going to swim, boat, or try to walk on water to get to America...they're poor and they hear how rich Americans are...just like the Mexicans, the Phillipians, Chinese, Indians, etc...and they all have their stories...it's called political asylum....it's how they circumvent the system other people like Neg have to go through....they're not going to kill the golden goose by singing the praises of Castro.
Just because the U.S. has put a blockade on them does not mean that those goods cannot be obtain from other countries ... i.e. Canada, Europe etc etc
Without a doubt they would have more money if there were a new democratic gov.... He was anti-USA from the beginning. He seized American properties and oppressed his people. What was the reason for putting nukes in for....... fur hats, BDU's, crystallines, vodka and a few blond Russian harlots?.......Yeah...... and when they want to start spending those millions in American tourist dollars they'll let us know.