It just goes to prove again how valuable this site is and the fact that spec keeps coming back proves it ..Otherwise he would just have left , no questions asked..Or am i just imagining it!!!
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It just goes to prove again how valuable this site is and the fact that spec keeps coming back proves it ..Otherwise he would just have left , no questions asked..Or am i just imagining it!!!
Wow thats an amzingly bad idea. Easy to circumvent quickly even for the dumb (clear cookies) for the smart, well grab the cookie analyize it (you would have to do some sort of allow deny type switch) and unbann yourself. Human nature would lead admins to rely on the cookie for site banning purposes, those that circumvented it would eb unbannable. Nope the way AO dose it is abotu as good as it can get. If you do IP bans you lose entire reverse proxies thats a vey bad thing for a public ad driven site. You could make new user registrations more difficult, again death for a community ad driven site like this, or you can expect your users to be mature enough to deal wit hthe occasional troll (Ie ignore the troll) untill the mods get around to dealing with the issue.Quote:
Originally posted here by Katja
. And I suggested a 'block by cookie' before in a different post which can be bypassed only by cleaning your cookies. (You could prevent members from becoming member if they have cookies disabled.)
Yeah, I'm not claiming it's a perfect solution but when you try to protect a site, every little annoying layer for the hacker will just cost them time. It costs some time to discover such a protection scheme before they realise the trick.Quote:
Originally posted here by bballad
Wow thats an amzingly bad idea. Easy to circumvent quickly even for the dumb (clear cookies) for the smart, well grab the cookie analyize it (you would have to do some sort of allow deny type switch) and unbann yourself. Human nature would lead admins to rely on the cookie for site banning purposes, those that circumvented it would eb unbannable. Nope the way AO dose it is abotu as good as it can get. If you do IP bans you lose entire reverse proxies thats a vey bad thing for a public ad driven site. You could make new user registrations more difficult, again death for a community ad driven site like this, or you can expect your users to be mature enough to deal wit hthe occasional troll (Ie ignore the troll) untill the mods get around to dealing with the issue.
And about the contents? When a user get's his first cookie, assign them a GUID. Those things are pretty unique. When banning a member, add that GUID to the banned list. Don't use it for identification purposes, though. But if any visitor has a banned GUID in his cookie, block his access. Or funnier, make it appear as if there's a flaw in the website.
Adding a few easy-to-bypass layers of protection won't take too much time for the experienced hackers but it is bloody annoying for the more inexperienced ones. It's just an additional annoyance layer for hackers, which regular members would never notice.
And what if someone cleans their cookies? Give them a new GUID then. Not a problem. There are near-infinite GUIDs anyway. :) It would give them access from their regular browser again but their accounts would still be blocked. The amount of code required for this would not be much anyway.
I'll go out on a limb to get this back on topic. :)
My first computer was in 1980...a TI something or other. My dad taught me basic and I was absolutely fascinated with the things you could do with it! Unfortunately, I didn't realize I wanted to be a programmer until my last semester of university. Even with that first taste at age 10...it took a long time until I realized there was nothing I wanted more than to program. :) So, for like three years I've been taking programming classes (can't go full time anymore since I work full time)...but I have learned C++, VB6, VB.NET, and C#. I've also taken some adv server 2000 classes...but it's been like two years since then. So, I think technical skills, for me, is really going to be more of a life-long learning experience. There is SO much more I want to know....and so little time. :(
My first personal PC was the old Vic 20, then I graduated to the Commodore 64, I played with that for awhile, tried programming but got tired of watching my name scroll infinitly down the screen. :) used it for mainly paperclip and games (Zork, Bards Tale).
Then came the Pentiums, 286, 386 etc,mostly used for Lotus 1.2.3 and DBase IV, I liked Win 98/Win2000 and Win Xp pro/home, I am mostly into pc troubleshooting (the basics) I can follow the manuals if I have to, most is trial by fire learning though.(and scouring forums like this one)
Currently looking after 25 desktops (3 98's 1 2000, 21 Win Xp pro's) all using a Unix Server for sharing, our main software for the company is Dos based otherwise we would probably be on a Windows 2000 or 2003 server.
Always willing to pick up and use advice/information from those that know a whole lot more then me. :p (Very appreciative of the knowledge freely passed along).
Do hope I can pick up as much Unix as possible, our support just dried up in this area, these people are becoming extinct, so will read as much as I can.
Hi dalek,
http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/
UNIX Tutorial for Beginners
http://www.isu.edu/departments/comco...unixindex.html
A Basic UNIX Tutorial
http://www2.ocean.washington.edu/unix.tutorial.html
Unix Tutorial
http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/uhelp/tutorials/toc.html
User Tutorial TOC
http://www.actcom.co.il/~choo/lupg/tutorials/
Tutorials
http://unlser1.unl.csi.cuny.edu/tuto...xTutorial.html
Quick Unix Tutorial
Eg ;)
The first family PC was a Pentium.....just straight up pentium.....wasn't allowed to use it though, they set up a bios password (god knows how they didn't hurt them selves in the process). In any event, I quickly learnt how to use the pc when we got the Pentium 2, from there I learnt to script in mIRC (hard core!!). After that I was tought QBasic in school, which was a complete doddle, picked up the language in 30 minutes :S
When it came to project time around the end of A levels (High school...), instead of doing the obligatory VB/Access combo, I opted to piss on my teachers and use PHP, MySQL and Apache.
Picked it all up fairly quickly, but it was alot to take in at the time, went through a few revisions before things worked. Went to Uni and was tought Java...which again...was a doddle...only two things I can't get my head around are interfaces and polymorphism, but I don't care, will probably code it and not know I had. Spent last summer coding C# from scratch for a living...which again...was a doddle, seeing as it is a java rip off..
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Actually, if you ask me (but I know you don't) I think C# is more a combination between Delphi, C++ and perhaps a bit of Java. That's because the guys behind C# used to be working for Borland and then Microsoft offered them something they didn't resist...
And interfaces? Polymorphism? If you have any questions about that, don't hesitate to ask. :D I tend to use plenty of interfaces anyway. They're extremely useful if you want to write more modular applications. Then again, you've probably been using them already without realising that these things are so simple... :p
My first exp earned was in the art of stealing long distance modem time and other phone calls from a phone hub/ junction box in the neighborhood with a kid a few houses down that turned out to be a prodigy. We stealthed out around midnight armed with a screwdriver and flashlight. He switched a few lines that night. The next night we hit up a bigger digitizer box, this one wasn't in the dark but was near a streetlight. After that we were running back like a bunch of fools and a cop came out of nowhere and thought the screwdriver was a gun. Some busy body saw us and phoned the cops. His mom worked for the district attorney so the DA's office made sure all our stuff went away. He on the other hand being older did have to wash the phone company’s trucks for a few weeks and we had to promise not to touch their boxes again. I was given my first "worthwhile" computer only a few months earlier before we were busted. Windows 3.1 that's what I had. Mark's computer privileges were revoked for a while, he was always hogging my computer, this is where I first started to obtain my knowledge. He said dude you need a modem, some games, soundcard, RAM. I swear to god, Wal-Mart just opened a new "super Wal-Mart", we rode our bikes there and stole some shareware. Got home installed DuneII and wolfenstein 3d. I remember how he could type so fast, I shut my mouth and watched master Sesshoumaru make me a floppy to insert in one of the computers in the labs at school. Instructions: type 1... hit Return...leave red floppy and don't tell. Me: How did you make that floppy? Mark: "read the fukin manual". Me: can you install strip poker on my computer too, like yours? Mark: I guess solitaire is crap, sure. Me: How are you getting on that BB darkside of the moon to play those crummy games? Ask, ask, ask, ask, Mark: you want to smoke a spliff. Me: sure! He was scooped up by the air force when he turned eighteen through some plea deal. They sent an investigation couple (like X-files) door to door around the neighborhood asking if they ever knew him to do anything wrong or suspicious, they never came to our house they skipped it. ;)
They send teams like that to do research on the lives of ICB M “launcheteers” too. I didn't see or hear from him until I was in college. Most of all I just like taking things apart to see how they work. I like to have the bleeding edge of components. I'll never stop playing computer games, and I grew up with NES for my first comp. I like reading PDF's these days.
I'm thinking about buying some SGI components ( R10k and R12k systems), then running Trusted IRIX a TCSEC B1 trusted operating system. :airoff:
Katja: You are still putting the cookie on the systme of the person you want o tkeep out...then it is modifiable they can switch the GUID untill it connects again...worse yet connect as difrent people. Cookies as a security feature is a very bad idea, even if encrypted. More over this is a public fourm, it exists off of ad revenu, that onyl exists as long as new users show up from a busniess perspetive yuo must keep it easy t oget an account here. Sure a site that gose under do to lack of reader ship is secure but it dson't do any one any good.
As for the actual topic...got started on a TI-994a with basic then a timex sinclare with basic...Did some logo for a while, then I got PC (IBM PC XT) with a modem and a 20 meg HD (512 ram as well...this thing was top of the line) hit the bbs's and fdio net, learned assembler and well never looked back. (sure soem formal training in college but learned much more on the job after that)