Roberto Calderoli: Bravest Man Alive!

11) Legalize marijuana. Grow it here and keep the money at home instead
of funding both sides in every south/central american revolution.

12)Legalize p2p filesharing, thus bankrupting Hollywood so they can no longer
finance the lefties in the Democratic party.

13) Fire the mercenary army and bring back the draft. Every young stud
at 18 years old gets to be a citizen soldier. That way, when the officers
try to overthrow our democratic government, the privates will tell them
where to go.

14) Abolish "social security". Why tax the people into the ground so politicians
can play golf at St. Andrews'.

15) Bring back public hanging. I'm in a bad mood and want to make an example of
someone.
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there are in fact works of art done by muslims depicting mohammed. although in most of them he is wearing a mask in others he is not. a few of these on Tee shirts along with a few words would say a whole lot more than these cartoons would today...like what a farce this indignation really is. this is really meant to draw attention off the artistists rights being taken away by thugs using threats and how this will soon spill over into all of our laws if its not stopped here.

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Originally posted here by dalek
Do you actually read the links provided, or do you just skim and try to get your point over that of the other person....1. It's a Private school, 2. The paper is not unheard of around here,maybe in your sphere it is unheard of. 3. Schools are exactly where this stuff should be brought out and debated..


If you stifle free speech, or censor it in the schools, then you are just as ignorant as those who would abuse it...

The majority of the problems these Islamists have is exactly the fact that they do not teach anything else but their religion in most of their schools...if they opened their education up to accept a wider view of the world, then maybe they would understand the demographics of other countries, and be more open to other religions...?
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I do read, I have a small presence here, but I figured the fact that I substantiate my opinions was at least clear enough. 1) I suppose I should have said, "Even public school don't really have free speech." I figured it was implicit that Private school have even less. 2) It's a boarding house grade school. Not exactly a level of education respected or widely payed attention to for intellectual insights, especially rehashed ones. 3) Debating is different than simply saying. Last time I checked, I couldn't really talk back to a newspaper--or at least, it never seems to listen when I do. It's school funded, and run by the student body. That's directly representative of the school itself. Considering it was a private school, I think it was 100% correct and proper for Headmaster Paul Bennett and Matthew Moffatt to do what they were hired to do.

I doubt even most people in NS read that newspaper. I adamantly doubt anyone outside NS does either. His regurgitated message was reaching nobody through that print. Just a pointless risk that the school doesn't feel it needs to take. As it is a private organization, that's all that really matters there. If he has a message that important, let him do it on his own time. However, while at the private school--it has every right to order what he is and is not to do if it accomplishes their promise of superior education.

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Although I must admitt, Robin Williams definately has a good thing going with that "humorous" rant. It's too bad nobody actually listens to simplicity and puts it to practice.

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Just a pointless risk that the school doesn't feel it needs to take

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Yeah, they might take hostages and cut off some heads. In fact maybe we
are all taking a big risk over this "free speech" ****. Better to be quiet
and hope they don't beat the door down in the middle of the night
and drag you away. After all "free speech ain't worth dying for is it?
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Just a pointless risk that the school doesn't feel it needs to take.

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So in this regard, any sort of dialogue is useless, lets not talk about this, (buries head in sand), this is exactly the type of attitude that has led a lot of people down the garden path. Ignorance is not bliss, if schools do not want to keep up in civics, or at least garner a better understanding of what is going on outside their walls, then this will continue to breed bias and bigotry.

The point of the article was obviously lost on you, as it represented a form of censorship, which is okay by you, and was presented as an example, not just because it was in my home town, if you have been watching the news (not CNN or Fox) or reading the papers, maybe you will have noticed that my example is being carried out all over the world, as once respected news outlets succumb to the intimidation of Islam.

If you want to preserve freedom of expression, then all of the warts have to be shown, and also both sides of the coin, just because someone finds it offensive, does not give them the right to behave in an irresponsible manner, they could have written to the editor... :D

That is why I believe strongly that freedom of expression or speech should be protected, as much as possible, because once the book burning begins, there is no turning back...

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Originally posted here by rcgreen


Yeah, they might take hostages and cut off some heads. In fact maybe we
are all taking a big risk over this "free speech" ****. Better to be quiet
and hope they don't beat the door down in the middle of the night
and drag you away. After all "free speech ain't worth dying for is it?
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Originally posted here by dalek


So in this regard, any sort of dialogue is useless, lets not talk about this, (buries head in sand), this is exactly the type of attitude that has led a lot of people down the garden path. Ignorance is not bliss, if schools do not want to keep up in civics, or at least garner a better understanding of what is going on outside their walls, then this will continue to breed bias and bigotry.

The point of the article was obviously lost on you, as it represented a form of censorship, which is okay by you, and was presented as an example, not just because it was in my home town, if you have been watching the news (not CNN or Fox) or reading the papers, maybe you will have noticed that my example is being carried out all over the world, as once respected news outlets succumb to the intimidation of Islam.

If you want to preserve freedom of expression, then all of the warts have to be shown, and also both sides of the coin, just because someone finds it offensive, does not give them the right to behave in an irresponsible manner, they could have written to the editor... :D

That is why I believe strongly that freedom of expression or speech should be protected, as much as possible, because once the book burning begins, there is no turning back...

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Both points are useless. Any argument in context to this grade school and preserving freedom of expression is moot. It's a private organization. It does what it will. They are not required to be a bastion of human rights or pillar of freedom. If they don't want to "rock the boat" they do not have to. If they want to stay detached from political and potentially troublesome issues, they will certainly do so.

People seem to forget while we may have the treasured right to be involved, we also have the right not to be involved. The school feels that this article didn't represent itself properly and/or may have had unwanted disruptive effects on its education program. They didn't deem this potential risk a necessary or even valuable part of their program. Hence they removed it, as they should if they felt that way.

If you don't like that, fine. Don't enroll your children there. Make their "facist" ways known so that nobody else will either if you care so much about this private organization. If people agree that it's a serious concern of the public that this school is trying to dodge conflict that they find unwanted and unnecessary, then the school will go bankrupt and be forced to change such an "evil" practice.

Until that point, this private school has every right and responsibility to administrate and educate its enrolled students as it sees fit, and promised the parents it would do.

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Until that point, this private school has every right and responsibility to administrate and educate its enrolled students as it sees fit, and promised the parents it would do.

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I agree 100%. And since my own children do not attend there I will only
snicker and post my comments here, rather that bother them.

It is ironic, though, that private schools usually boast about the
superiority of their education, but fall back on the policy of
"It's my school and I'll do as I please"
Parents in the market for a truly challenging education
for their children may take note. Unlike the gov't schools,
this place can't compel you to attend.

Cowardice is still cowardice, even though you have a right
to be a coward. It's a free country, for a while anyway.
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If you don't like that, fine. Don't enroll your children there. Make their "facist" ways known so that nobody else will either if you care so much about this private organization. If people agree that it's a serious concern of the public that this school is trying to dodge conflict that they find unwanted and unnecessary, then the school will go bankrupt and be forced to change such an "evil" practice.

Until that point, this private school has every right and responsibility to administrate and educate its enrolled students as it sees fit, and promised the parents it would do.

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WTF???, you are still missing the point...."Censorship", I don't give a rats as* if it's a private or public school either, my point is muzzling free expression because someone feels insulted or threatened because of their belief's, so I will intimidate you into not allowing the freedom to legitimately debate the pro's and con's of whatever it is that happens to disturb you, in other words, the so called pillars of our education will secede their responsibility to lead by example, which would be to hold our ideals up to the highest scrutiny, regardless if it bothers you.

And I don't get where you think I was extolling anything about enrolling children into a private school....what does that have to do with "Censorship"????

What if that particular student wanted to write in the paper about single Mothers, and the views of the administration were very narrow minded, and they decided that in their esteemed opinion, that it has no place in a student newspaper, or it was to be about the Christian beliefs, so because the administration is all Christian this would get the okay no doubt? (bias/bigotry)

My point was two posts ago and still is, all about "censorship", not wether the school being private or public, or that the administration had a right to not allow it, they obviously do, but then that is a form of censorship over the schools editors, in other words, we will let you know what you can write about and what you can't write about, why bother having a student paper, I am sure the folks at Berkley would have loved to seen that sort of control,by their administration. "not"...

The very basis of a newspaper is to report on the current news or to have editorials, and if they are thought provoking then all the better for the student body, any sort of meaningful dialogue is better then being fed pap by those who think they know what's in your best interest's, and therefore will dictate what you can read or write.

I am sure half the ignorance in this world is because people are content to have organisations like CNN or Fox news feed you the gospel according to them.Does anybody still read the front page of the newspapers, or is it straight to the sports section and to hell with what's going on in the world...(Apathy)

Selective censorship is creeping into our daily lives, and before you know it, the right to read any published material will be gone, a case in point is the very works of Mark Twain, he wrote in a period where the "N" word was part of the everyday vernacular, however distastful that word is, it is a part of history, so what did the PC people do, they took out Huckleberry FInn from the school libraries down in some of the Southern States (of all places).

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During this same century, Huckleberry Finn has repeatedly been banned from library shelves, removed from classrooms, and challenged by censorious voices for promoting improper or indecent conduct and for being insensitive to matters of race. As early as 1885, the book was banned in Concord, Massachusetts, as "trash and suitable only for the slums." In 1905, the book was taken from the Children's Room of the Brooklyn Public Library because "Huck not only itches but scratches"; and in 1969, it was deleted from the required reading list at Miami-Dade Junior College, Florida, because it "inhibits learning" by black students. During the first week of 1989, newspapers reported that author Alex Hailey was defending the book against would-be censors in Knoxville, Tennessee.

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Huck Finn

So my feelings about censorship are very strong, if you cannot have a civil debate on the merits of the story or article, but instead wish to resort to violence then you don't belong in the debate at all, that's my message to the Imans, and clerics or elders of Islam....

As for the supposed Robin Williams plan:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...liams-plan.htm

I was suspicious immediately, so I checked it out.
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WTF???, you are still missing the point...."Censorship", I don't give a rats as* if it's a private or public school either, my point is muzzling free expression because someone feels insulted or threatened because of their belief's, so I will intimidate you into not allowing the freedom to legitimately debate the pro's and con's of whatever it is that happens to disturb you, in other words, the so called pillars of our education will secede their responsibility to lead by example, which would be to hold our ideals up to the highest scrutiny, regardless if it bothers you.

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I have to disagree. Not everyone thinks on a higher level, as we have witnessed from the Islamic world in response to these cartoons. Even many people in rich and developed nations don't think to that same degree. A business and/or organization has every right to with-hold statements and articles that it doesn't feel represent it or could potentially harm its well-being and success. It's an extremely reasonable idea.

Freedom of expression is undoubtably good, yes. However, when you work for someone, you are an extension of that someone. If you do something they don't like, which is directly representative of them--they have every right to stop you. Just because your employee wants to be a vigilante and doesn't give a rat's-@$$ about the welfare of the company, doesn't mean the owners, or others making a living through it don't either.

It's easy to be a warrior in the classroom.