Bush is So Bored He's Spying on You

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Nobody seems in the least bit concerned in the UK.

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That's because they know, by experience, that those in power
generally act with restraint. They aren't convinced that one of
the major political parties is made up of blood-drinking fascists.
They feel that if you lose one election there will always be another
one. We in America have lost that sense of optimism. We behave
as if we are the Balkans, transplanted to north America. People honestly
feel that if Bush taps someone's phone, 200 years of constitutinal
government is in jeopardy.
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I've stayed out of this one for a while. But I might as well get in:

I fully support the NSA. I also support the FBI. I support the CIA as well. The DEA can kiss my ass.


Next up:

I'm against war. If the NSA looiking over phone calls, can stop a war ore pevent an attack before it happens, what is the big deal?

It's not like they actually listen in to every conversation. That's not plausible. However they do have a **** load of hardware that does record every conversation on every phone. Then software they have goes over it for certain words to find out who may be talking about possible attacks.

When it finds a conversation, it flags it down.

Then someone listens to what went on there to see why it was flagged.

Anyone against war should sure as hell support the NSA. They have a chance to stop an attack and war before it even starts.

Besides, I've tapped phones just to see if I could. It was fun. I'd be a damned hipocrite to say they shouldn't.

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Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
There's no such thing as the moral majority... They are a minority... Just like the screaming libs are a minority... It's just that they both make more noise...

The fact is that, if they got off their lazy, apathetic a$$es, the "immoral majority", of which I am firmly a member, would kick all these silly little "groups" out of power for ever!!!

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I guess I'd waste my breath telling you to vote Libertarian then?


http://www.lp.org

VOTE LIBERTARIAN!

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The DEA can kiss my ass.

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Ya know... That was probably the _most_ predictable thing you ever typed... ;)

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I guess I'd waste my breath telling you to vote Libertarian then

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Yep, you would... Because I am a British citizen... and for some reason you Yanks don't want me voting in your elections... I guess I might screw up the "balance of power" or something... ;)

RC:

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They aren't convinced that one of the major political parties is made up of blood-drinking fascists.

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Ain't that the truth. It is a trait of the libs to think with their hearts and not their brains and to take everything personally. Which is exactly why they should never be allowed in office again.

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Bush is So Bored He's Spying on You

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It's been going on much earlier that GWB ;) It's just now they're getting much better at it. In the past, when you farted they could hear it at great distances. Now when you break wind they can tell what you had to eat 4 days ago.

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Originally posted here by AngelicKnight
Against my better judgement, I'm starting this thread.......

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I agree!

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Yep, you would... Because I am a British citizen... and for some reason you Yanks don't want me voting in your elections... I guess I might screw up the "balance of power" or something...

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They dont want you voting because you wont vote the way your told to. :D You wont even believe what you hear from the televeritas (T.V).
An american politicans nightmare is an election where people vote for policy and not party.

And now he/they also get our European data retention information..

http://euobserver.com/9/21580

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The US delegation to the meeting "indicated that it was considering approaching each [EU] member state to ensure that the data collected on the basis of the recently adopted Directive on data retention be accessible to them," according to the notes of the meeting.

Representatives from the Austrian EU presidency and from the European Commission said that these data were "accessible like any other data on the basis of the existing ... agreements" the notes said.

The EU representatives added that the commission would convene an expert meeting on the issue.

Under current agreements, if the FBI, for example, is interested in a group of EU citizens from a member state who are involved in an investigation, the bureau can ask for help with a prosecutor in that member state.

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A telephone number belongs to a telephone, just as a registration number belongs to a vehicle. Both of them are machines rather than human individuals.

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Actually, doesn't the phone number belong to the phone company?

Either way, you do not OWN your phone number.

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I'm against war. If the NSA looiking over phone calls, can stop a war ore pevent an attack before it happens, what is the big deal?

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Finally, some consistency! What I hate about so many liberal talking heads is THEY CANNOT BE PLEASED. If you turn right, you're evil, if you turn left, you're evil there too. We don't want war! You should've taken measures to prevent it, Bush! Ok, he starts taking measures to prevent it, and...We want privacy! You shouldn't be taking these measures, Bush!

Love him or hate him, you can't deny that no matter what Bush does, IT'S WRONG. He's in one heck of a sucky position, because these yahoos absolutely will not be appeased no matter what you do.

And let's not forget Clinton and Eschelon are a-ok. Bush and phone numbers is horribly, horribly evil though. Spying is fine as long as it's a liberal spying on you.

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Well... NO SH1T... There's already enough laws out there for a competent prosecutor to work with... But if the politicians can't point to some bullsh1t law they created while in power then they feel they can't get re-elected... That's BS... If I could vote here I would vote for the guy that repealed the most laws....

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I have been saying that for years. IN FACT Bush's "kind of" promise to SIMPLIFY the tax code won great adminration from me and was more inportant than other things the media washes over our eyes. Oil, Al Queda, the idiotic Kyoto Accord, all the stuff we heard about around election time. When the circus dogs are let loose. Did he simplify that tax code? Did he get tougher on Borders? No, did he give out medicare to appease the biggest most harmful political lobby in the USA. Hell yes.

Do I really car about phone calls. No, I have said time and time again a phone call or cell phone call is not private. It cannot be by the very nature of the technology used. It's as private as walking down a public street. However that does not mean everything Bush does gets a free pass. We are sending the signal to Washington and the republicans that we don't care what they do. Fly planes over our skies and watch over us - we don't care, create a government entity of untrained *******s on a power trip and call them the TSA, we don't care. Spy on international calls in mass with limited targeting, we don't care. Ask all the telephone companies and ISPs to hand over their call records for certain dates, we don't care. Take away the balance of power among internal and external agencies, we don't care. As long as we are safe. There is a balance like many have said, but the right is too eager to protect their president at times as if it's 2002 and we are just starting this "War on Terror".

There was a lot in this thread but someone mentioned making the Acts permanent. Most are. And there has been more that ONE attempt in Congress and among right wing media to make the Patriot Act permanent. The scope keeps increases, and I am not going to continue to support things I don't think are necessary.

Now for libertarians. If I EVER meet one I don't consider a complete whack job I may lean that way someday.

If you want to get techie a telephone number is just a pointer. It's assigned in a switch and belongs to who ever owns or operates the switch.

Patriot Act.. it was ALREADY supposed to be expiring //EDIT now many of the provisions are permanent and the sunset was repealed. I often defend the American people. But this time, we are a bunch of idiots.